17 Christians Convicted in Indonesia

[storch]

Originally posted by Curval
lol

You demonise them in one post and then glorify them in another.  You are something else Storch.  You just can't seem to make up your mind about anything.

no my mind is made up about islam but I'm reticent to tar them all with the same brush.  I've met too many people who have changed my mind at the individual level.

[Curval]

Originally posted by storch
no my mind is made up about islam but I'm reticent to tar them all with the same brush.  I've met too many people who have changed my mind at the individual level.

They couldn't have been those pesky ones in africa and the far east that changed your mind though right?  Or did "islam" commit the murders you describe?

"moslems wipe out entire other religion's villages every day in africa and the far east"

[Chairboy]

It's amazing how quickly a thread about christian mass murderers turned into one about muslim attrocities.

There's a curious blindness on this board about that, if a christian kills someone, he's either:
A: Not a real christian
or
B: Just fighting back

If it's a muslim who kills someone,
A: It's further proof that they are barbarians
and
B: See A.

I'm no "muslim apologist", but I see hypocricy and double standards here, as if christianity and all who follow it were perfect (divine, if you will) while the bloodthirsty muslim savages are all sub-human animals, barely worthy of the energy it takes to cut their heathen heads off.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Chairboy
It's amazing how quickly a thread about christian mass murderers turned into one about muslim attrocities.

There's a curious blindness on this board about that, if a christian kills someone, he's either:
A: Not a real christian
or
B: Just fighting back

If it's a muslim who kills someone,
A: It's further proof that they are barbarians
and
B: See A.

I'm no "muslim apologist", but I see hypocricy and double standards here, as if christianity and all who follow it were perfect (divine, if you will) while the bloodthirsty muslim savages are all sub-human animals, barely worthy of the energy it takes to cut their heathen heads off.

And when atheists kill millions they are?

[McFarland]

It's amazing how quickly a thread about christian mass murderers turned into one about muslim attrocities.

There's a curious blindness on this board about that, if a christian kills someone, he's either:
A: Not a real christian
or
B: Just fighting back

If it's a muslim who kills someone,
A: It's further proof that they are barbarians
and
B: See A.

I'm no "muslim apologist", but I see hypocricy and double standards here, as if christianity and all who follow it were perfect (divine, if you will) while the bloodthirsty muslim savages are all sub-human animals, barely worthy of the energy it takes to cut their heathen heads off.

This is because:
A: Christians are only supposed to kill in self defence, and really not even then.
B:Christians are supposed to "turn the other cheek".

Muslims:
A: Condone fighting or "jihad", even in offence.
B: The few that don't aren't very outspoken, and are criticized by the rest of their peers.

[storch]

I think you may have misunderstood my meaning.  the moslems that I have come to know in my community have changed my perspective a bit.

the moslem aggression against buddhist, christians and members of the b'hai faith goes unchecked.  I sympathize with those who retaliate against the moslems.

islam is an awful religion.  there are people who are "moslem" because that is what their families were just as there are people who are "christian" for the same reason.  people here are far more secularized and not actually practicing members of either religion.

I had a conversation about religion with a lebanese moslem today and his conclusion is that islam is an old, bloody and dirty religion and his last words were "as they all are".  it's hard to refute that logic

[Elfie]

A: Not a real christian

Sometimes folks are labeled as Christian when they don't actually follow the Christian faith. Example, some think Jim Jones and David Koresh were Christians, not so, they were merely pretenders that used the Christian faith to further their own agendas.

The gentleman Storch spoke with is labeled as a muslim, yet he doesn't follow the muslim faith so how can he actually be a muslim?

I'm no "muslim apologist", but I see hypocricy and double standards here, as if christianity and all who follow it were perfect (divine, if you will)

Any Christian will tell you that not one of us is perfect and most certainly not divine.