Terrorist dry runs in the US?

[john9001]

Originally posted by Seagoon

Leave Iraq or stay, leave Afghanistan or stay, the war will continue because it is an integral part of the comprehensive ideology that is Islam. Peace for them is achieved through complete victory, hence the Al Qaeda statement that there will  not be peace in that area until Spain ceases to exist as Spain and become Al-Andalusia once again. As such our options are contain, eliminate or convert. Co-exist is not an option they offer. Personally, I don’t believe we have the will or the ability to do any of these, so it’s going to be a very difficult and horrifying century to say the least.

word......fight, die, or convert, it's your choice.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Maverick
Could you please be explicit in what you are saying here. In particular the failed first US presence part, or are you just considering the shah situation as a "US presence"

I call it a "US presence" because thats how my soon to be x-wifes family Iranian born family characterize it. It's not a reference to military occupation, more to do with the the people knowing it was the Brits & CIA that overthrew the Iranian gov, from then on it was considered a "US puppet" by Iranians, and a "US presence" by other countries. Kind of how we considered N Vietnam a Communist / Russian / Soviet presence... the Russians had everything but troops in N Vietnam, like the US did in Iran.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Eagler
how has it failed when it is not over yet?
it's 95% politics at this point .. a way for the left to try and win in 08, nothing more.
if the leaders had your mindset, we'd never won either world war or korea .. you sound like you are cheering for another Vietnam .. you should re-read your own quote

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I cheer, great.

Please tell me how a US puppet gov will survive in the mid east, when it was rejected in Iran? Is there some brilliance in the Bush plan to avoid the failures of the past? (no) Iraq will be just like Nam, we'll leave a govt just weak enough to collapse, only after years and years of debate & stalemate. No way we could kill or bomb the N. Vietnamese into submission, it aint happening with the Muslims either. In Korea at least we had the S Korean people on our side.

The CIA, and brits, installed a US puppet in Iran; rejected. It wasn't just a handful of rowdy college students who overthrew the US backed gov either, all the reasons are fascinating reading should you ever decide to look into it, but I think you'll find lots of outside influence, and $$, from Arabs & Muslims all over the region tipped the scales to oust the US presence.

Why wont that happen in Iraq? oh wait, it is happening. So how is our military going to stop it?, its impossible to kill or detain every angry at America Muslim / Arab in the mid east... you are aware they don't like us very much right?

Iraq, sadly, it in smack in the middle of a crap sandwich of countries full of religious wackos who are willing to die. They will, use, and have used, surrounding countries, and Pakistan, like the N. Vietnamese used Laos / Cambodia as "rat lines" to undermine our efforts. Nixon wanted to go into Cambodia, Bush wants to go after Iran.. hum, no new thinking here.

By the way, what would you do if some foreign troops put your family in Abu Ghraib, detained your brother / friends / family for 15 months with no charges, stormed your house at will, as well as turning off the electricity, flush toilet, phones, garbage collection... maybe killed a few people you know? Basically reduced your neighborhood to a giant pile of lawless death rubble... for FIVE YEARS?

I'd fight back and get some payback, not for any cause.. but for my family / friends and frustration... how about you? would you let some foreigners walk all over you?

[john9001]

x0847Marine, i see your from California, did you go to Berkeley?

[Ripsnort]

x0847marine,
Serious question for you:

Should we abandon all fight against terrorism?

If your answer is yes, then what do you think the consequences of such action will be?

[Eagler]

Originally posted by john9001
x0847Marine, i see your from California, did you go to Berkeley?

nah, he has the inside track on the me .. he has the wife ack pov

[Chairboy]

TSA, you guys are doing a hellofajob!

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Travel/story?id=3418155&page=1

"Do you know Osama bin Laden?"  And who says the art of skilled interrogation is dead?

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The reason why the "fight for terrorism" is in Iraq is a result of us invading that country.  If we hadn't, there would be no Al-queda in Iraq.  That group was created as a direct result of our invasion and the vacuum it created that let scores of foreign jihadists to enter the country.

You honestly think that fighting in Iraq has done anything to make this country or the world safer from terrorism?  Especially when the terrorists behind 9/11 aren't even in Iraq?

If we were truly serious about the war on terror, we have concentrated in killing them in Afghanistan.  All we did is create another front and a lot more terrorists.

I'm sure I'm not the only Rebublican to feel this way.


ack-ack

We killed all the ones in Afghanistan, the rest  ran across the border into Pakistan...and yup, Saddam kept a tight leash on Iraq, but it's not like they would LEAVE if we quit--the ensuing slaughter would be our fault and no one else's, and Sally Struthers could beg to feed the children...it would be wonderful

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Eagler
nah, he has the inside track on the me .. he has the wife ack pov

That does explain a lot of his posts.

[lazs2]

ack ack.. I agree that the reason the islamofacists are in iraq is because we are there..

They have no choice.   There are not that many of em if you consider them a percent of the total muslim population.. they are getting kicked out of most real muslim countries so they have a real stake in making iraq their home.

I say that fighting them anywhere in a arab country is fine..  any place is as good as another..  they have to come to us.  

If we leave and they run the place then they have a base.  They can spend their energies on planning world wide terror.

They won't go away unless we give em everything they want...  nothing less will do.  ever.

Everything they want is our destruction and their rule.

lazs

[Eagler]

they are like roaches ...
can you ever kill every roach?
wouldn't you rather have them in your garage than your kitchen or bathroom?
just because you will never kill everyone of them, do you not continue to exterminate them?

 =

[Chairboy]

Eagler: The first step is always to dehumanize the enemy.  Now, you can do things you otherwise wouldn't, like kill their children, because "they'll just grow up to be more enemies".  Is that your assertion?

[Shamus]

Originally posted by Chairboy
TSA, you guys are doing a hellofajob!

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Travel/story?id=3418155&page=1

"Do you know Osama bin Laden?"  And who says the art of skilled interrogation is dead?

They should have water boarded the old broad, then they would have gotten the truth.

shamus

[Torque]

iraq was an ethical war... just look at where the architects are today.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Torque
iraq was an ethical war... just look at where the architects are today.

Congress?