Gang warfare in military

[Dago]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Define "gang" please.

Is this board really inhabited with those who don't understand simple terms and typical descriptions?

I would suggest if you find yourself in need of a definition of anything in the fugure, you go to Websters dictionary.

[storch]

Originally posted by USRanger
Military personnel are a cross-section of everyday America.  While it is by far the exception and not the norm, it happens.  Especially with the pressure recruiters are under nowadays to fill boots. 99% of soldiers are honest, hard working, dedicated people.  There's always gonna be a few cockroaches that slip under the crack in the door.

that's exactly right and has been going on at least since I was in back in 1975-1979.

[eagl]

The percentage of gang members in the military, and troops who are so anti-social that they might as well be gang members, is much higher than anyone wants to believe.  It's a problem in the USAF, so I can't imagine it being any better in the Army.

The last time I was at Sheppard AFB, there had been a recent incident where student airmen doing drugs on base in the middle of the base park near the dorms assaulted and nearly killed a security forces troop trying to "do something" about someone smoking pot out in the open.  At Osan, there are multiple rapes weekly.  In one case, an NCO who was supposed to be sponsoring a new troop into the base drugged and raped the new guy's wife the day she showed up.

This stuff is rampant in the military.  99% upstanding citizens...  Not in the military I know.  It's our job to stamp it out as ruthlessly as possible, but #1 I don't think we're doing a good enough job and #2 recruiting is a tough problem right now so these scumbags will keep getting in.

Some supervisors are good at turning these kids around or kicking them out, but there are some problem areas that are out of control.  Enlisted dorms are one...  No officer I know of will make an unannounced visit to the enlisted dorms because of the behavior that goes on in most of them.  Overhearing a group of young airmen at Osan talking about "that time last weekend when all 5 of us were banging that chick from finance in the dorms" was enough for me.  I don't have time to save the world and I'm not going to try.

[Fulmar]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
No, 99% of troops aren't normal and well-behaved.  

Various studies I have read have listed 6-10% of troops as murderers, anti-socials, and psychopaths.  These are usually the same ones that commit atrocities.

26.8% of your posts are false or misleading.

Aren't pulling random numbers with no source fun?

[Jaxxon]

Mac, the comment wasn't directed at you or your military.
Obviously you are or were in command and dealt with those under it.

A while back the CAF disbanded a Regiment because of such activities (hazing). That's a good example of what anarchy with in can do to a military when it's not controled by the front line. Whether they condoned it or just couldn't control it is another issue.

Pisant ... hardly.

[Hornet33]

Yeah Aquashrimp is SUCH an expert.

By the way there Shrimp.....how long have you served or been associated with the military that makes you able to make such a claim???

I've been in the military or lived on military bases my ENTIRE life. 35 years of experiance with the Air Force, Army, Navy, and Coast Guard, and I would have to say with 100% certainty that you claim is 100% FALSE.

Instead of reading about it, why don't you try living it first then come and talk about the military, otherwise why don't you do the rest of us that have and do serve a favor and keep your worthless opinions to yourself.

[nirvana]

I think Jackal has a valid point, Dago.  A gang could be thought of by some as a group that gets together to solve crime (Scooby Doo) or it could be a group of people with common interests that socialize (motorcycle gang) OR it could be a group of people who promote violence to protect themselves (crips, bloods, etc).  It really just depends on your personal definition, not what a book says.

From Websters

gang1      /gæŋ/ Pronunciation Key
–noun
1.   a group or band: A gang of boys gathered around the winning pitcher.
2.   a group of youngsters or adolescents who associate closely, often exclusively, for social reasons, esp. such a group engaging in delinquent behavior.
3.   a group of people with compatible tastes or mutual interests who gather together for social reasons: I'm throwing a party for the gang I bowl with.
4.   a group of persons working together; squad; shift: a gang of laborers.
5.   a group of persons associated for some criminal or other antisocial purpose: a gang of thieves.
6.   a set of tools, electronic components or circuits, oars, etc., arranged to work together or simultaneously.
7.   a group of identical or related items.

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Dago
Easy solutions are available, but will never be allowed.
Here is an easy one:   Make gang membership a capital offense, and carry out the punishment.
But no, we would rather worry about being politically correct than maintaining a safe law abiding society.
Here is an idea for the Army, if you catch anyone participating in any way in a gang, send them to Iraq, put them out front on combat patrols without any armor, and use them as bait.   Works for me.  Two birds with one stone kind of thing......
    quote: Originally posted by Jackal1
    Define "gang" please.
Is this board really inhabited with those who don't understand simple terms and typical descriptions?
I would suggest if you find yourself in need of a definition of anything in the future, you go to Websters dictionary.

I think what he was asking from you would be YOUR legal definition of a "gang" member that would sentence him to getting shot in the neck over.

Is it those dealing drugs? Stealing and chopping cars?  A couple kid's tagging graffiti on the walls in their neighborhood?  A bunch of lawyers and bankers playing dress up on their Harley's on the weekends?  

Which other guilty-by-associations carry the death penalty ("capital offense") in your world?  KKK?  NRA?  NAACP?  Boy Scouts?  Political Parties?  Door to door sales people at a convention?  Any non-sanctioned assembly of more than 10 people?  The 5 geeks down in the AV club?  

It's not just a slippery slope for society you advocate, but jumping straight off a cliff.  

And as someone who did a tour in Iraq, I certainly would not want to be depending on some guy out on point there on a death sentence as you would propose.  The members of a military unit in a combat zone need to be able to depend on one another, so there is no way I'd accept your solutions.

[wooley]

I have no idea what the extent of the 'gang' problem is within the US forces. But I do know that gang units in police forces across the country do track the military experience of gang members.

[Dago]

Originally posted by nirvana
I think Jackal has a valid point, Dago.  

Jackal made no point.

[AquaShrimp]

Originally posted by Hornet33
Yeah Aquashrimp is SUCH an expert.

By the way there Shrimp.....how long have you served or been associated with the military that makes you able to make such a claim???

I've been in the military or lived on military bases my ENTIRE life. 35 years of experiance with the Air Force, Army, Navy, and Coast Guard, and I would have to say with 100% certainty that you claim is 100% FALSE.

Instead of reading about it, why don't you try living it first then come and talk about the military, otherwise why don't you do the rest of us that have and do serve a favor and keep your worthless opinions to yourself.

You old fool, even the U.S. military recognizes that about FOUR PERCENT of its troops are SOCIOPATHS.  Add to that various other anti-social personality disorders, and you can easily get 10%.

Check out this study
https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg.nsf/0/bd7eed04567bfe2b85256e3b002f29c1?OpenDocument

And saying that I need to serve in the military and 'live the life' to be able to speak on the matter, thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  Obviously you didn't utilize your G.I. Bill.

[bj229r]

A post-World War II study by R. L. Swank and W. E. Marchand proposed that 2 percent of soldiers were "aggressive psychopaths" who did not suffer from the normal remorse or trauma associated with killing.8 I use the word suffer because when the job of the soldier is to kill, those fettered by their conscience are suffering while doing their job. We tend to shun the concept of the willing killer because it offends our kinder sensibilities, but a controlled psychopath is an asset on the killing fields. Those who possess such a temperament are natural killers and many have served this country well. The problem lies in identifying these individuals and positioning them where they can be most effective.

THAT is what you base your conclusions on?

[rabbidrabbit]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
You old fool, even the U.S. military recognizes that about FOUR PERCENT of its troops are SOCIOPATHS.  Add to that various other anti-social personality disorders, and you can easily get 10%.

Check out this study
https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg.nsf/0/bd7eed04567bfe2b85256e3b002f29c1?OpenDocument

And saying that I need to serve in the military and 'live the life' to be able to speak on the matter, thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  Obviously you didn't utilize your G.I. Bill.

If you comprehended the article you quoted you would realize it does not support your position.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
You old fool, even the U.S. military recognizes that about FOUR PERCENT of its troops are SOCIOPATHS.  Add to that various other anti-social personality disorders, and you can easily get 10%.

Check out this study
https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg.nsf/0/bd7eed04567bfe2b85256e3b002f29c1?OpenDocument

And saying that I need to serve in the military and 'live the life' to be able to speak on the matter, thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  Obviously you didn't utilize your G.I. Bill.

Perhaps I missed it, but there's really nothing in that 'Study' to indicate or support what you said.

[USRanger]

I am teh sociopath!!!!!1