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Offline Atoon

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« on: July 29, 2007, 12:29:14 AM »
Just saw a CBS clip on known gangs within US military.  Jawan Johnson, had served in Iraq & was stationed in Germany and "in the process of discharging" (quote from deceased's mother). He was due to return home to his wife & newborn son. The report says he was killed by enlisted men during a gang initiation "jump-in", which means you get jumped by multiple current gang members. The report then went on to show gang graffiti on military vehicles, bases, property, & on various walls in Iraq cities. It had many photos of US military, flashing known gang-signs at various night clubs frequented by US military.

The report said it was part 1 of a CBS exclusive, I dont post links but it shouldnt be hard to find for anyone who cares to post a link-


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sickening.


I struggle to think of an acceptable solution to this problem. I would love to continue to think that joining the military would be a great way to leave gang life behind, especially for those who get caught up in it at an early age. But Jawon was ending a succesful military career, that could easily have been converted into a succesful civilian career, and he had a newborn son.

Disturbing:O
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2007, 12:36:12 AM »
Military personnel are a cross-section of everyday America.  While it is by far the exception and not the norm, it happens.  Especially with the pressure recruiters are under nowadays to fill boots. 99% of soldiers are honest, hard working, dedicated people.  There's always gonna be a few cockroaches that slip under the crack in the door.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2007, 12:52:32 AM »
No, 99% of troops aren't normal and well-behaved.  

Various studies I have read have listed 6-10% of troops as murderers, anti-socials, and psychopaths.  These are usually the same ones that commit atrocities.

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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2007, 12:55:46 AM »
I went back and reviewed the report, and also my post. I need to include that Jawon died from injuries sustained at his initiation, thus making the story news-worthy. And at the time of his death, his son was not yet born.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2007, 01:33:19 AM »
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Military personnel are a cross-section of everyday America.  While it is by far the exception and not the norm, it happens.  Especially with the pressure recruiters are under nowadays to fill boots. 99% of soldiers are honest, hard working, dedicated people.  There's always gonna be a few cockroaches that slip under the crack in the door.
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2007, 01:34:15 AM »
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Military personnel are a cross-section of everyday America.  While it is by far the exception and not the norm, it happens.  Especially with the pressure recruiters are under nowadays to fill boots. 99% of soldiers are honest, hard working, dedicated people.  There's always gonna be a few cockroaches that slip under the crack in the door.


So your saying that NCO's and CO's have no control over the people they're supposed have control over right down to the very last man?
Although I'm not in the military, there isn't a person who will get away with this kind of crap on my watch and I have to work with in a Union collective agreement.
The 99% expect the people in charge to close up these cracks so the unit can function without reprisals (peer pressure) from those who seek to disrupt order. They're looking for leadership.
If the present command system can't accomplish this then they should regroup.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2007, 02:00:18 AM »
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So your saying that NCO's and CO's have no control over the people they're supposed have control over right down to the very last man?
Although I'm not in the military, there isn't a person who will get away with this kind of crap on my watch and I have to work with in a Union collective agreement.
The 99% expect the people in charge to close up these cracks so the unit can function without reprisals (peer pressure) from those who seek to disrupt order. They're looking for leadership.
If the present command system can't accomplish this then they should regroup.


"Just saw a CBS clip on known gangs within US military..."

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2007, 02:01:01 AM »
Nothing new here.

For years, gangs have actually been sending members (who had not received convictions) off to the Army and Marines to learn the trade to use back on the streets when they returned to "the hood".

Back in the late 80's or early 90's, there was trouble on Fort Carson between soldiers with ties to the Crips and those to the Bloods.  Actually had soldiers transfered between Platoons and Companies to keep them separated for each other.

And hazing among military members predates even the gang influence.  

And there is a war on, and effort to increase military end strength in the Army.  Its a numbers game: they are not going to get rid of people that they would have during peacetime and the drawdown.  

And junior NCO's don't receive much in the way of schooling/training before promotion any more... used to be to make Corporal or Sergeant, you needed at least the Primary Leadership Development Course... now it's called Warrior Leadership Course and you don't need it until up for Staff Sergeant.  Many of the junior leaders are just not up to the task, and there are shortages of officers in Platoon Leader positions across much of the Army.  

And you have many war vets on active duty, a percentage of which have problems readjusting one out of the combat zone.  There are many different reasons why about 5,000 vets (active and retired) commit suicide every year ( more than has been lost in six years of fighting).

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2007, 02:24:27 AM »
Had this crap before.. Korea, Germany, States.

Stupid young men thinking they were soo frikken kewl.

I broke these ******s down.  Made them a team.

Soo you Crips and Bloods with yer attitudes come into my yard and think your're gonna push colors.

Word to your Mother.

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2007, 08:59:59 AM »
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No, 99% of troops aren't normal and well-behaved.  

Various studies I have read have listed 6-10% of troops as murderers, anti-socials, and psychopaths.  These are usually the same ones that commit atrocities.


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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2007, 09:55:27 AM »
Easy solutions are available, but will never be allowed.

Here is an easy one:   Make gang membership a capital offense, and carry out the punishment.

But no, we would rather worry about being policitally correct than maintaining a safe law abiding society.

Here is an idea for the Army, if you catch anyone participating in any way in a gang, send them to Iraq, put them out front on combat patrols without any armor, and use them as bait.   Works for me.  Two birds with one stone kind of thing.
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2007, 10:04:18 AM »
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Easy solutions are available, but will never be allowed.

Here is an idea for the Army, if you catch anyone participating in any way in a gang, send them to Iraq, put them out front on combat patrols without any armor, and use them as bait.   Works for me.  Two birds with one stone kind of thing.
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2007, 10:14:17 AM »
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Easy solutions are available, but will never be allowed.

Here is an easy one:   Make gang membership a capital offense, and carry out the punishment.


Define "gang" please.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2007, 10:26:00 AM »
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Prove it.


He can't prove it but that does not bother him.

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2007, 10:27:24 AM »
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Military personnel are a cross-section of everyday America.  While it is by far the exception and not the norm, it happens.  Especially with the pressure recruiters are under nowadays to fill boots. 99% of soldiers are honest, hard working, dedicated people.  There's always gonna be a few cockroaches that slip under the crack in the door.


and THATS the 1% that CBS is looking for:aok

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