Author Topic: Red light cameras as a trojan horse (Read 1143 times)

Sox62 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 31, 2007, 04:29:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
The sensors in the road determine if you are going to enter the intersection after the light turns red. It has nothing to do with the speed limit.

The article in the Columbus Dispatch stated otherwise.

Sox62 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 31, 2007, 04:31:34 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
...and the Klingons have a neat cloaking device...

http://www.photoblocker.com/www/video.html#

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #17 on:** July 31, 2007, 05:35:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
The sensors in the road determine if you are going to enter the intersection after the light turns red. It has nothing to do with the speed limit.

what happens if you end up stoping in the intersection and then back up?

I know its happend to me on occasion.

And sometimes its a judgement call

Usually I use the rule of thumb of if I feel I can safely stop without skidding into the intersection Ill stop.
If I dont think I can, I wont.

I dont like the idea of these things because it removes a judgement call from the equasion.
It only see's you blowing through the red light.

It doesnt know WHY you went though.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #18 on:** July 31, 2007, 05:40:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

They are nothing more than a revenue generation scheme by local governments....oh wait, now they are also a way for them to watch the cattle.

Yup, Just like the roadside safety inspections, Click it or Ticket And the "Zero Tolerence for agressive Driving Week"

Alot of these things are tied to federal funding.
Your state gets X amount of dollars. But they also want to see the tickets.

IF any of the above werent tied to Federal funding, you wouldnt see such extortion schemes. Cept maybe in a few small towns I know of.

McFarland · « **Reply #19 on:** July 31, 2007, 05:40:21 PM »

We had one here in our town, someone took it out with a shotgun. They can't see from the side, so a shooter is completely hidden from them. I wish everybody everywhere would do the same. Make the cops actually work for their money.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #20 on:** July 31, 2007, 05:49:36 PM »

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Originally posted by wooley
insurance companies are having a field day with something like 60% of motorists now carrying a current speeding conviction.

America 'aint seen nothing yet.

Thats a big part of it too.

Ins Co's love that surcharge they get to charge.
And why not? Its free money And they dont even have to pay anyone to make it as the police are on State and Federal payrolls.

I know several cops who have flat out told me that unless someone is driving really insane. The outright refuse to write up a speeding ticket or moving Violation.
They hate the thought of helping the insurance companies make more money

They will give out tickets for one or more other things instead. Seatbelt, etc.

That way they get their point across. The violator gets punished and has to still pay a fine.
And they arent helping to subsidize the insurance Companies

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Originally posted by McFarland
We had one here in our town, someone took it out with a shotgun. They can't see from the side, so a shooter is completely hidden from them. I wish everybody everywhere would do the same. Make the cops actually work for their money.

on the shooting of the cameras
Dats what Im talking about

But. I gotta defend the cops here. Its not the cops fault.
Its the people who run the township that have to approve this stuff first

Gunthr · « **Reply #21 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:00:43 PM »

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Technology is gradually making the idea of a police state easier, and making it so that many fewer officers are required. - Chairboy

I agree. Technology got so out in front of us ("the people") its like trying to hold a tiger by the tail. its astonishing. digital surveillance cameras, digital fingerprints, digital license plate readers etc and it can all be flashed to concerned parties all across the nation in igna-seconds.

BiGBMAW · « **Reply #22 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:31:51 PM »

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Better yet,just drive slower than the speed limit when you run the light.They don't trip unless you do.

WRONG..I have a video and pi cof me driving 22 mph in a 25 mph zone..and got a ticket...

I was slowing down for gridlock..it cleared and I was making a right immediately after the intersection For a taco...RED LIGHT!!..Pictures flash blah blah..

I beat it....I was not the registered owner..By Law its up to the cops to find out who was driving..An owner of the vehicle is not LEGALLY responsible for investigating( doing the cops job) who was the driver

AND!!!!.. It has been proven that a LONGER yellow Ligth REDUCES accidents ...WIth the Cameras..the make the Yellow ligth as short as possible..Legal Mins are 2.5 seconds...This has caused MORE accidents

So you weenies who think Cameras are the Great Savior...Vote for a Limp Wristed Linguini spine Liberal..and they will take care of you

here is a great web site for info

http://www.highwayrobbery.net

Btw I just beat 2 tickets..One for red light camera..the other fro speeding..my girlfriend drives fast

McFarland · « **Reply #23 on:** July 31, 2007, 06:36:06 PM »

Well, I think some people will get angry when I mention this, (mostly those who think owning a gun should be illegal), and I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but can you say "1984" or "V is for Vendetta"? I read the "V is for Vendetta" book, and the setting there was much like these cameras would make it, a camera on every street corner watching what you are doing at all times. And while I've never read "1984", I know that "V is for Vendetta" was made with it in mind, and it has the same story setting, a completely government controlled country. We are getting dangerously close to this happening, especially in Great Britain. These cameras are just one step closer.

Chairboy · « **Reply #24 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:23:08 PM »

Now ABC is grooming people to accept this camera-heavy police state.

Surveillance Cameras Win Broad Support
Majority of Americans Favor Extra Safety Factor of Cameras
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3422372

McFarland · « **Reply #25 on:** July 31, 2007, 07:43:02 PM »

Can you say forged poll? I never voted. None of the people I know voted. They probably only asked 100 people, and made sure 71 of them were communist sympathizers.

lazs2 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 01, 2007, 08:55:00 AM »

In this country... If you tell people that it will save lives or money then you can pretty much take any freedom they have from em.

Ya all buckle up now ya heah?

lazs

Jackal1 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:22:52 AM »

Well Laz...we all know that the Gub`ment knows what is best for us. We cannot be trusted to take care of ourselves.

lazs2 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 01, 2007, 01:58:41 PM »

not only that but...we get what we deserve.

When people think that they have the right to vote away individual rights based on saving that persons life or maybe costing them money... and you have a government willing... no... eager to take that power and destroy the rights of individuals and call it "the will of the people"

then we have a problem that is our own making.

A constituional government would make sure that these morons didn't have the right to vote on other peoples individual rights... a just and free people would not even think about doing so in the first place..

It is chicken and egg time with this one... who cares how we got this way but... we are there.

lazs

McFarland · « **Reply #29 on:** August 01, 2007, 07:51:30 PM »

Well, I think we got this way because men are no longer men, at least most of them. They're mice. If the Founding Fathers could see this country now, they'd start another revolution. And with good cuase, we are doing to ourselves what the British did to us. Taking away our basic freedoms. I have seen this somewhere on this board: "A man that would have life in exchange for liberty deserves neither" or something like that, but that was the meaning of it. I think it was one of Ben Franklin's quotes.