General Obama???

[Elfie]

So you want to justify a war that over 3 thousand US soldiers have died, who knows how many of the coalition of the willing and private contractors much less the thousands of civilians whom have all died for one tango meeting and 3 training camps.

I'm not trying to justify the war. I am showing the inaccuracy of your previous statements regarding Iraq's ties to terrorism. According to one of the links I posted, approximately 8,000 terrorists were trained at those camps. How many innocent people do you think 8,000 terrorists could kill? Left unchecked, how many thousands more terrorists would have been trained?

If we knew where these camps were, wouldn't a few cruse missiles have been slightly most cost effective?

I don't think we did know the locations prior to the invasion since they weren't found until afterwards. So I don't think cruise missiles were a viable option.

Also note that one of those articles I linked talks about the trainees links to organizations that had links to Al-Qaeda. (Note I did not mention Saddam )

[crockett]

Oh btw correct me if I'm work the guy in your second link.. Sabah Khodada

It just hit me.. that was the guy the admin used to help sell the war, but wasn't his info later proven to be wrong? He was the guy that claimed Iraq was training terrorsts to hi jack airplanes or something.

Sorry but if that's the same guy then he was proven to be F.o.S.

[lazs2]

crokett.. how is it "not working"  I don't care how much is spent on a war.. it is just that much less the government has to spend on "programs" that only grow and grow and grow and...

Wars get paid off... tax based socialism only grows bigger every day for all eternity.

And... how is it not working that we are fighting them on the ground we choose?   when was the last terrorist attack here?

lazs

[crockett]

Originally posted by lazs2
crokett.. how is it "not working"  I don't care how much is spent on a war.. it is just that much less the government has to spend on "programs" that only grow and grow and grow and...

Wars get paid off... tax based socialism only grows bigger every day for all eternity.

And... how is it not working that we are fighting them on the ground we choose?   when was the last terrorist attack here?

lazs

Great rationale.. don't spend money on the citizens of your own country whom pay taxes. It's better to spend money on killing people because it's better to kill people than let liberals have their way.

Great way to think of it larzs, that's just freaking awesome..I mean it's not like the money the govt spends comes from taxes that Americans pay or anything. I mean why would we spend tax money to help Americans.

Oh wait, maybe you are right, it's not tax money after all it's borrowed from China..

[Elfie]

Oh btw correct me if I'm work the guy in your second link.. Sabah Khodada

While I don't recall the guys name you are thinking of off hand, this name doesn't seem at all familiar and I think it would be if it was the same guy. Although if it is the same guy it wouldn't be the first time my memory has failed me.

Otoh, I think the guy you are thinking of is the guy that gave false information about Iraq's WMD programs. I don't recall hearing about anyone giving false information on training camps. Also, these camps weren't found until after the invasion.

[Sabre]

Originally posted by crockett
Well honestly it's your guy George Bush whom said "you are either with us or against us". So it seems that's just another catch phrase for the papers right?

Was it not Bush whom first said al Qaeda should have no hiding ground? You are either with us or against us? Obama is actually just repeating what George Bush said. The diffrence is George Bush "said it" first, but has failed to carry through with it.

Ah, I misunderstood you, Crocket.  It sounds in fact like you completely support Bush's policies, but feel he has not pusued them with sufficient vigor.  Now I get it.  And here I thought you were just suffering from BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome).  Phew! Glad we cleared that up.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Sabre
Ah, I misunderstood you, Crocket.  It sounds in fact like you completely support Bush's policies, but feel he has not pusued them with sufficient vigor.  Now I get it.  And here I thought you were just suffering from BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome).  Phew! Glad we cleared that up.

I support a war on terrorism not a war for profit and oil.  George Bush has failed to pursue a war or terrorism but instead chosen to pursue a war for profit and oil in Iraq.

Had George Bush chosen to do what he promised and fight terrorist, even though I didn't vote for him nor did I like him I would have supported him.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by crockett
I support a war on terrorism not a war for profit and oil.  George Bush has failed to pursue a war or terrorism but instead chosen to pursue a war for profit and oil in Iraq.

Had George Bush chosen to do what he promised and fight terrorist, even though I didn't vote for him nor did I like him I would have supported him.

your first statement is your opinion

the second, I just don't believe LOL

don't worry, whatever dem u vote for I am sure will do a much better job finding OBL and saving the US and the world from the islamic cheekbones terror threat
LOL LOL LOL

[Eagler]

Originally posted by crockett
Great rationale.. don't spend money on the citizens of your own country whom pay taxes.

you don't get it do you ...

the tax money lazs talks about is spent on those who DO NOT pay taxes - you know, the gov dole dem voting base

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by bj229r
Well...it had the support of the nations who WEREn'T getting cash under the table from Saddam:D

Obama is only posturing with his tough talk, this is a calculated move by his handlers to make him look hes not a tuna smelling ax-wound. If he gets elected (shutter) the DNC will pull his strings and he'll do what every other party hack before him has done; dance to the tune of the party, not the country. All those pre election promises can be easily dismissed, like so:

"...realities have changed since then.." said Pres Obama while defending his decision not to attack the Taliban inside Pakistan... dems will back him, rubs will slam him, DC business as usual.

Not to be overly technical, but Saddam was dealing in Euros, not cash.. which is kinda a big deal. Euro companies need dollars to buy oil, so they must do business to exchange their euros into dollars, usually at a loss. Saddam, who was sitting on oil that will reach peak production with the Saudis by 2010, was going to sell oil in euros.  A direct threat the dollar.

The US switched Iraq back to the dollar... which by 2003 was worth 13% less than the euro, ergo the puppet gov perception.  

Taking a page from Saddams play book to hurt the US economy, Iran now considers the US dollar "the currency of the enemy" and will begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE by selling oil in euros. .. another direct challenge to the US dollar in the international oil market.

Oil buyers will have a choice: 1 barrel of Oil for $60 US dollars on the NYMEX / IPE, or for 45-50 euros from the Iranian Bourse... until we bomb them.

Interesting article here:
http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html

[Eagler]

Originally posted by x0847Marine
Taking a page from Saddams play book to hurt the US economy, Iran now considers the US dollar "the currency of the enemy" and will begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE by selling oil in euros. .. another direct challenge to the US dollar in the international oil market.

Oil buyers will have a choice: 1 barrel of Oil for $60 US dollars on the NYMEX / IPE, or for 45-50 euros from the Iranian Bourse... until we bomb them.

Interesting article here:
http://www.energybulletin.net/7707.html

that and his nuke farm are enough in my book to take "corrective" action

sorry, but as a US citizen, I place the security and future of my country over all others

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Eagler
that and his nuke farm are enough in my book to take "corrective" action

sorry, but as a US citizen, I place the security and future of my country over all others

As a citizen you shouldn't be pissed at the Iranians, they're taking advantage of the pathetic manor in which our so called "leaders" have sold us out.

If the US economy collapses, roll on over to the local RNC / DNC chapter and personally thank them.

The title is cheese, but the whole euro vs dollar thing is talked about in this video... (start at 35 min for the petroldollar theory)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1oPEfa9Lws

[john9001]

a devalued US dollar is good for US exports and bad for US imports and bad for sending US jobs overseas.

[FrodeMk3]

a devalued US dollar is good for US exports and bad for US imports and bad for sending US jobs overseas.

Explain this in more detail, please.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Eagler
your first statement is your opinion

the second, I just don't believe LOL

don't worry, whatever dem u vote for I am sure will do a much better job finding OBL and saving the US and the world from the islamic cheekbones terror threat
LOL LOL LOL

Yea because it wasn't a Democrat controlled Congress and Senate that just gave our boarder patrol and extra 3 billion to put more boots on the ground.

The Republican tough on terror president planed to overturn it but the Dem's undercut him first, to get it through.

The same democratic Congress also passed the funding to get all cargo ships scanned for nukes piror to entering the US. Same with all cargo aircraft. Tough on terror Republicans couldn't be bothered.

The Democratic led Senate today voted in a bill to put tougher regulations on lobbyists.. To keep them from buying our politicians. ie like Ted Stevens..

What did the Republicans do the last 7 years? Besides get us in a war and give our country away to the highest bidder and run it into a defecate that will likely never be paid off in our life times? If this is what the Dems have in store for us, I'm all for it.