Illegal Alien "contributions" To The U.s.

[AKIron]

The democrats are building their house upon the sand. After a time, those from whom they are buying votes will pursue their own agenda and it likely won't include those who bought their office. Of course those who are selling us out don't even really care about their own political party. They care only about their own personal power/comfort and in the short term they may satisfy their goal. The smarter ones know where this eventually leads which is why they want to take our guns.

[Rolex]

Originally posted by Sundowner
If a person finds a way to defraud the system, then succeeds at it, it is then the system's fault and not the perpetrator's fault?

YIKES!

Regards,
Sun

Correct. Tell me how to use a false W2 to get an undeserved refund. The taxpayer W2 with SSAN or taxpayer ID number is matched to the employer supplied W2 and the amount of earnings and deductions matched to the deposits made quarterly by the employer.

I suppose I could deposit the money throughout a year and get the money back the following year, right? Clever plan.

[lazs2]

It does seem odd that we can't even get figures.

When you search to find out how many illegals don't have car insurance the best you get is "no one knows"  you do find that of all the illegals pulled over...  about half don't have a valid license or insurance.   That sounds about right in my area.

I also note that when you make a raid on a cannery or factory and weed out the illegal aliens... sometimes half the work force and obviously the ones rolex talks about that have phony SS card...

That the jobs are filled the next day by legal citizens with valid SS cards...

Now.. if we got rid of all the illegals working at these "good" jobs.. an easy thing to do...

We are left with only the amount that are working under the table and that amount won't change unless the employers are jailed..  they don't pay into the system in any case and are only a drain.

Rolex seems to be saying that the aliens are a plus since they are putting into the system illegally and not able to get it back out...

First of all... if they were gone... the 7 billion would not go away... the jobs would be filled.

At some point... there is going to be tougher ID laws and better SS identity so that these illegals with crap ID will not be able to use it in any case.   It is a certainty.

If our SS system can't hold up with a paltry half a million contributors who MAY never get anything out of it... it is doomed in any case.

lazs

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Trell
We don't need the jobs done for the same amount of money.

Just because they can find someone to do your job for 3$ an hour,  does not mean it is right..

Never said it was right.

So who you going to blame when your cost of living goes way up? You have to think past the end of your nose and see all the repercussions, for you won't see your all American doing the menial jobs for the same wage.

[Russian]

Use 'national' guard for what it was designed for and protected own bloody borders. Simple solution.

[Trell]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
Never said it was right.

So who you going to blame when your cost of living goes way up? You have to think past the end of your nose and see all the repercussions, for you won't see your all American doing the menial jobs for the same wage.

 
 If you don't have a problem with bringing  in Aliens to do the manual labor,  what about the other labor?

We can import Software designers, accountants, electriactions, from china and pay them half what Americans get payed,

Hey it will lower our cost of living right?  

I know outsourced Software devs in china make 10-15k a year,  lets offer them a job in America and only pay them 30k,  Hey its over half what Devs here make,  think about the savings...
Almost any job can be done cheaper of we import the labor from somewhere else..

[lazs2]

milo... why would the cost of living go "way up"?

silly alarmist bs like this we have seen before...  when the brasero program was shut down the alarmists (of both parties) screeeeeeched that tomato's would go up to $5 a piece...

Yeah.. because we had sorter wagons that had 40 illegals on em.   when we couldn't get almost free slave labor anymore an infared sensor was put on these beasts and what did take 40 now takes 3

same for construction... what 10 illegals do....  2 legals can do.   My brother runs crews of plasterers.. he is a 30 year journeyman... he says the illegals are laughable and if he could put together a crew like we had even twenty years ago...  3 guys would outproduce 30 of the hardworking but unskilled illegals he has to deal with now for his employer.   and... the quality would be twice as good... with less waste.

These illegals have been on the wall for years some of em and still can't work smart... look at their country fer chrisakes... if they had any talent it would be a garden spot... nope...  centuries of doing with nothing have ruined them as a work force for anything but weeding with a hoe.

landscapers even here have given up... they can't teach the illegals... they just pay em nothing or for the job and look the other way as 4 guys run around like buffoons....

Hard working is not the same as smart working.   amount of sweat does not equal amount of acceptable work put out.

The ones born here and raised as Americans are different of course.. so long as they don't let their relatives from "the old country" influence them.

No...  we won't have a lower standard of living... we will have a higher standard of quality.

lazs

[carhint]

I’ll support hard core immigration reform – kick them all out – IF it is retroactive.  Anyone who came here after the Mayflower; pack up your bags and go home.  Be a good example.

I was watching a History Channel on the States and there was a piece about Texas.  Turns out, according to the piece, Texas was originally settled by illegal immigrants coming from the east coast.  Mexico couldn’t stop the flood of settlers even though they originally wanted some.  Now that is funny.

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Rolex
Correct.

They can't get a refund with a false W2 any more than you can. If they are, then that is the fault of the IRS.

So if I  come up with a clever way to murder you and your entire family with a chainsaw, and get away with it, it's the Police dept's fault you're dead?

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Rolex
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Illegal aliens paid $7 billion in Social Security contributions and $1.5 billion in Medicare payments last year that will payout no benefits to them. Billions more were paid in federal and state income taxes.
 

More smoke and mirrors, half truths.

A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies is one of the first to estimate the impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion.

Rolex, can some illegal aliens come live in your home? I mean, they contribute to the bottom line and all so they should be a welcome part of your household, right?  How about in your back yard, would that be ok?

[storch]

my point isn't that illegals are petitioning congressional reps.  it's registered voters prompted by media driven hype on the latin stations in every major market across the nation.  

the hispanic consumer is now the largest minority in the country and corporations will cater to the market.  as more and more of the hispanics become politically involved they will have increasingly more power at the polls.  I know the guys that work for me are all actively working to become naturalized citizens and to a man are very interested in the political process.  the interest is so high that at times I have to make them shut up and work because the arguments get heated as political discussions always do.

unlike born americans the naturalized citizen is aware of the power of the individual vote applied en masse and you had better believe the naturalized citizen is involved in the process.

while the apathetic white majority does nothing minority lobbying groups with strong voter turnout and quickly responding voter base will in fact influence policy in this country in all areas of the political process.

when a radio station calls for emails and faxes to be generated the voting block floods the congressman and the senator.  often times the radio station has fill in the blanks forms to be filled out and mailed sent to the voting block so that the reps are bombarded by all methods, fax, email, snail mail and telephone calls.

politians who want to keep their jobs are obligated to respond.

[bj229r]

Hi bj229r,

I don't see how this shows 50% of all felonies are committed by illegal aliens.

 I don't assert that it does---however their crimes are obviously way out of proportion per capita

I have no reason to doubt Gov. Wilson's comment about 20% of the state prison population being illegal aliens with felony convictions, considering the high rate of illegal aliens in California. But that does not translate across the nation as a whole.

 You said the total national prison population of illegals is about 70k....in Cali ALONE it's 50k---, meaning the rest of the USA is only 20? (I'm going to have to assume that the term PRISON is separate from deportation centers--thus these folks have committed felonies other than immigration)

Your second link is factually wrong. The study quoted had no breakdown between illegal and legal aliens. The term "criminal alien" encompasses any foreign-born criminal, including legal residents.

..Oooookkkkkkkk...thats a bit picky on your part I think---it's obvious they are talking about the same people

The resulting GAO report, published in April 2005, revealed that illegal aliens make up 27% of the prison population. (The oft-cited figure of 12 million illegal aliens in the country means that they make up just 4% of the general population.)

Found this too

In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses.

About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes.

The balance was for such offenses as traffic violations, including driving under the influence; fraud --including forgery and counterfeiting; weapons violations; and obstruction of justice.

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[bj229r]

Originally posted by Rolex
Correct. Tell me how to use a false W2 to get an undeserved refund. The taxpayer W2 with SSAN or taxpayer ID number is matched to the employer supplied W2 and the amount of earnings and deductions matched to the deposits made quarterly by the employer.

I suppose I could deposit the money throughout a year and get the money back the following year, right? Clever plan.

Apparently this stuff DOES happen:

About a decade ago the IRS created a special Individual Tax Identification Number (TIN) for “foreigners” who don’t qualify for a Social Security number but want to file taxes. The agency has so far issued 10.7 million TINs, including 1.5 million last year alone. Many illegal immigrants also use the numbers to apply for credit, open bank accounts and even buy houses.

The IRS knows well that millions of illegal immigrants use TINs to file taxes annually. In fact, a few years ago the tax agency discovered 7.9 million W-2 forms with names that didn’t match a Social Security number. Not surprisingly, the majority of the forms were filed in states with large illegal immigrant populations such as Texas, California and Florida.[/i]

This year tax preparers in several Border States are reporting a huge surge in the number of illegal aliens requiring tax filing services. One Phoenix Arizona company that caters to Hispanics is making a killing. The owner says that the majority of his 10,000 customers filing taxes are illegal immigrants without Social Security numbers.

In Atlanta one tax preparer has seen an equally large increase in illegal immigrants filing taxes to document residency and good morale character in case U.S. lawmakers approve an amnesty bill. In Los Angeles a once-struggling tiny tax preparation office in the inner city is now booming with illegal immigrants racing to beat next week’s filing deadline.

Illegal aliens across the country are openly speaking to the media about their newfound tax filings. Diggers Realm writes that illegal immigrants have learned that, since the IRS doesn’t cooperate with law enforcement and the Department of Homeland Security, they have little to fear.

 

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[T0J0]

American Indians waited to long to develop  comprehensive immigration reform and look were it got them, slaughtering alien invading youropians was to little to late, if the tribes hadn't been fighting amongst themselves and pro-actively recognized an expanding immigration nightmare maybe they could have joined to defeat the problem. It wasn't until they were forced into camps that they recognized the need to combine resources which became Little Big horn and perhaps Wounded Knee "Been awhile since I read the former"
 Imagine your kids living in a reservation some day because our leaders didn't recognize what this really is.
 And this time building casino's will not be an option.

I really honestly believe we are in need of civil war.
2012

TJ

[Rolex]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
More smoke and mirrors, half truths.

Don't stop there. Tell us what was smoke, what was mirrors and what was half true.

Rolex, can some illegal aliens come live in your home? I mean, they contribute to the bottom line and all so they should be a welcome part of your household, right?  How about in your back yard, would that be ok?

This is the kind of nonsense non-analogy used by talk radio and J6P with a blog. Do you think I am a proponent of illegal immigration?

Let's turn your questions around into something more meaningful. If you, your wife and girls were living in poverty in Mexico, what would you do? You would have no chance of immigrating legally because you don't have an advanced degree or special skill, so rule that out. Would you risk going across the border to find work to feed them?

The vast majority of illegal immigrants come for the same reasons your family came. Not to commit crime, but in a desperate bid to survive and try to thrive in a place with better odds.

The aliens are not your enemy. It's the businesses who hire them that are your enemy. The ones who say they're only trying to save money on labor costs - it's capitalism and the American way. The ones who say that it can't be helped and everyone else is hiring them, why shouldn't I? It's the politicians who take the lobbying money and gifts from the businesses and Chamber of Commerce in exchange for defeating improvements in border security and enforcement of work rules.

Those are the people encouraging desperate people to do desperate things.