Author Topic: Tiger is obsolete (Read 2230 times)

Lusche · « **Reply #45 on:** July 24, 2007, 11:02:48 AM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I'd be willing to bet that the majority of those Tiger kills are coming from MW where it is still quite formidable, facing only the Panzer and the T-34. I see a LOT of Tigers in use in MW, almost none in LW.
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The activity in MW is way too low to get such high numbers. And all current 1913 kills of Shermans are from LW of course, so do the approximately additional 600 kills on planes only enabled in LW.

I still do see a lot of Tigers in LW. More than 90% of all my "kills of Tigers" and "killed by Tiger" stem from both LW arenas

Edit: Some additional stats:

Kill distributions between tanks

Tour 86 (before introduction of Firefly)
Panzer IV 74%
T34 5%
Tiger 21%

Tour 89
Panzer IV 29%
Sherman VC 50%
T34 6%
Tiger 15%

Now if Tiger usage would now be restricted to mainly MW arena, the reduction in kills percentage would have been much higher, for the MW arena has usually only between 1% and 10% of the total MA population. But the Tiger lost only 29% of it's "kill share"

We can also clearly see that the biggest victim of the Firefly's introduction is the Panzer IV

MiloMorai · « **Reply #46 on:** July 24, 2007, 12:07:03 PM »

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Originally posted by tedrbr
Still, as it was intended for fire support for infantry, essentially a moving pill box with MG and 75mm to reduce defenses, the idea of firing on the move in that role outruns the ground troops you are supporting. But, it was supposedly built into the original design. Just didn't expect that design philosophy that early in the war.

Air Cav!

The M-3 for both its guns (37mm and 75mm) had it before the Sherman. (elevation only)

"Crews were firmly told not to use the stabilizer unless the tank was in motion."

From M4 Sherman
George Forty

Ace8765 · « **Reply #47 on:** July 24, 2007, 12:24:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Does anyone know if the Firefly retained the gyrostabilizer?

ack-ack

it looks like it doesnt it? in the game i have hit tigers on the move while 1200+ away so i think so

in real life idk

kennyhayes · « **Reply #48 on:** July 25, 2007, 03:33:00 PM »

WHY NOT PERK SHERMAN FIREFLIE THEN BRING IN THE AMERICAN SHERMAN NON PERKED STILL A SHERMAN BUT NOT AS GOOD GUN NON PERKED

Bronk · « **Reply #49 on:** July 25, 2007, 04:45:41 PM »

Why not turn caps lock off?

Bronk

MstWntd · « **Reply #50 on:** July 25, 2007, 08:52:46 PM »

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Originally posted by kennyhayes
WHY NOT PERK SHERMAN FIREFLIE THEN BRING IN THE AMERICAN SHERMAN NON PERKED STILL A SHERMAN BUT NOT AS GOOD GUN NON PERKED

WHY NOT TURN ON SPELL CHECKER.

Muskie6 · « **Reply #51 on:** July 26, 2007, 04:31:48 PM »

I would like to see a light perk on the FireFly. Bring the base perk value in at about 50% of what the Tiger is. This would still allow for a lot of FireFly useage, but bring the Panzer back into the light of day also.

I would still love to see a T34/85 fit into the mix somewhere!!

Spikes · « **Reply #52 on:** July 26, 2007, 08:19:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Muskie6
I would like to see a light perk on the FireFly. Bring the base perk value in at about 50% of what the Tiger is. This would still allow for a lot of FireFly useage, but bring the Panzer back into the light of day also.

I would still love to see a T34/85 fit into the mix somewhere!!

Agreed.

Rino · « **Reply #53 on:** August 01, 2007, 07:03:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Muskie6
I would like to see a light perk on the FireFly. Bring the base perk value in at about 50% of what the Tiger is. This would still allow for a lot of FireFly useage, but bring the Panzer back into the light of day also.

I would still love to see a T34/85 fit into the mix somewhere!!

Problem with perk vehicles is that they get screwed by forward spawns.
No one wants to lose the perks just because they can't land without
driving 20 miles back to base.

redman555 · « **Reply #54 on:** August 01, 2007, 10:32:27 PM »

well u just got your wish, HT put a perkie on the sherman now

zilla · « **Reply #55 on:** August 02, 2007, 07:19:17 AM »

I saw that the sherman was perked for 4 points last night. This is good. Also the forward spawns have become easier to land at for me. I have landed kills in spots where I was sure I would get a ditch. I will have to check and see if my .ditchtiger cheat works with the sherman.

Big Rat · « **Reply #56 on:** August 05, 2007, 10:30:05 PM »

The Firefly should be perked anyway, it was a fairly rare tank compared to a standard sherman. The firefly's were feared by Tiger commanders and were a priority target. I don't feel the Firefly's gun is overly powerfull by any means, the 17 pounder was an excellent gun, pretty close to on par with the Panthers 75mm. One thing that should never happen is the Sherman shrugging off just about any hit from a Tiger's 88. A sherman hit by a tiger should be damaged or killed just about every time.
We really need a more standard sherman like a M4a3 76. IT's got a good gun, close to the performance of the 75mm L-48 in the latter panzer IV's, and can still kill a tiger at close range in a weak spot or with the hot rounds. Or just give us a Jagdpanther or Panther and I'll be very happy:D

Later
Big Rat