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Offline LePaul

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2007, 05:04:38 PM »
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and rpm is "lefty lockstep" with them.


RPM hasnt had a reasonable argument in ages.    He chose a good nick, he likes to spin  ;)
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Offline Elfie

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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2007, 05:13:05 PM »
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rip, stop fooling yourself.  iraq is a joke.  anything you give to the iraqi government/military/police might just as well be considered aiding the enemy.


If we want the Iraqi army and police to start providing their own security we have to give them weapons and supplies, or let them buy them for themselves. At some point, the Iraqi army and police NEED to step up and take charge of their own country. I'm of the opinion that this should have already started.

As far as the original subject goes, it really is a long stretch to blame the Bush administration for supplies the Iraqis were given and then lost. It is the Iraqis responsibility to account for these items, we don't need to hold their hands forever.
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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2007, 06:51:16 PM »
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As far as the original subject goes, it really is a long stretch to blame the Bush administration for supplies the Iraqis were given and then lost. It is the Iraqis responsibility to account for these items, we don't need to hold their hands forever.



Actualy it isn't such a long stretch.

Given the fact that, in that part of the world, lies, bribery and murder between tribes is and has been the rule for thousands of years, expecting to be able to waltz in and reverse thousands of years of such behaviour was and still is the mark of an incopetent and ill informed leader.

Unfortunatly, American blood has been spilt in a 'country' who will never appreciate our efforts and change the way they interact with themselves and their neighbors.

The lying, bribery and sectarian murder will likely go on for another few thousand years no matter what happens short of all out nuclear war in the region...then the survivors will lie, bribe and murder just to get by and think nothing of it because that's the way it has been for thousands of years.
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2007, 07:03:16 PM »
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Actualy it isn't such a long stretch.

Given the fact that, in that part of the world, lies, bribery and murder between tribes is and has been the rule for thousands of years, expecting to be able to waltz in and reverse thousands of years of such behaviour was and still is the mark of an incopetent and ill informed leader.

Unfortunatly, American blood has been spilt in a 'country' who will never appreciate our efforts and change the way they interact with themselves and their neighbors.

The lying, bribery and sectarian murder will likely go on for another few thousand years no matter what happens short of all out nuclear war in the region...then the survivors will lie, bribe and murder just to get by and think nothing of it because that's the way it has been for thousands of years.



you have no faith, the song says "people everywhere just want to be free",
you have to show them what being "free" means. You can not turn around "thousands of years of such behaviour" overnight. You must stabilize the country until they find out that working together is better than killing each other.
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2007, 08:29:33 PM »
Funny photo rpm.

"Dick . . . Dick . . . Dick, what do I tell them . . . where ARE the guns?"
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2007, 10:13:12 PM »
This will make RPM happy:

 The guns were never actually even made.  
Bush has a buddy who manufactures arms and they paid his company for weapons never actually produced.  

Then Bush called a friend of his who owns a shipping company and had that guy bill the govt  for shipping these ghost weapons to Iraq.

 Then Bush called a buddy who owned warehouses in Iraq and had him bill the govt for storing the weapons.

Then an inspection team comprised soley of personal friends of Bush discovered the guns were missing.

Now Bush is going to get some of his buddies together and  pay them to try to discover the location of all the missing arms.

It's all Bush's fault.

There you go RPM, you must feel really good by now.


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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2007, 10:55:56 PM »
Yeah Steve, I'm doing backflips. Meanwhile, American troops are dodging AK-47 bullets from armoured Iraqis. That makes me real happy.:huh

LePaul, I'm not even in the same class as the Bushbois. Now THEY know how to spin.
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2007, 11:00:43 PM »
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Given the fact that, in that part of the world, lies, bribery and murder between tribes is and has been the rule for thousands of years, expecting to be able to waltz in and reverse thousands of years of such behaviour was and still is the mark of an incopetent and ill informed leader.


That really has nothing to do with Bush being held accountable for the Iraqis losing 190,000 weapons. The Iraqi government was responsible for those weapons once they took possession of them. Now that they are missing it's Bush that is to blame? Rediculous. :lol
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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2007, 11:19:33 PM »
Elfie, it's called incompetence.

Bush is the dog that caught the car and has no idea what to do with it.
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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2007, 11:24:34 PM »
Incompetence on the part of the Iraqis maybe. Their army and police need to get weapons from somewhere. Even if they had bought them from somewhere else I suspect that many of them would have gone missing.
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2007, 05:49:15 AM »
why AK47's? why not M16's or some other US issued weapon?

the article as it is an attempt to blame something else totally out of Bush's control on the man is j another witch hunt.
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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2007, 07:51:37 AM »
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why AK47's? why not M16's or some other US issued weapon?

 


the Iraqis were familiar with the AK's and so would need less training, also the M16 cost too much, i think the US govt paid something like $25-$50 for each AK.
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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2007, 08:14:07 AM »
It was Boosh. I heard it from a guy who knows a guy in the unit that was there. He saw it all.
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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2007, 08:42:24 AM »
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skyrock... pretty hard to keep track of em once you give them away to allies.

It would be like asking england and russia and south vietnam to account for all the weapons we had given them.

lazs

If they have been given to someone, then there should be a record, period.


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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2007, 09:03:27 AM »
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