Does this make sence ? what u think ?

[Phil]

Gents
Everyone have their own style of dogfighting.
Everyone is entitled to chose where to fight.
Yes, we all paid $$.00 a mth and we are FREE DO TO WHAT WE WISH in this game.

Lets talk about dogfighting !
I play this game for dogfighting only.
I do pay attention to my fighter scores and always want to bring it lower.(personal challenge and tool for self improvement)
I fly many hours in Early and Mid arenas because I believe in "learning to walk before running".
What I mean by that is challenging one adversary at a time. Sometimes I'm outnumbered but the learning challenge is always present.
Yes sometimes I fly 10minutes before finding my bogey ! Then the fight begins. Stall fighting, Turn fighting etc....
After several months of experience, I see myself as a fair good stick. I will give the top boys a good sweat before being pumped with lead

Recently I've been trying the late war arenas.
Most of the times my victories are boring and cheap !:(
Why ? Because the ODDS are never EVEN ! WIN or LOSE !
Why did I land with 5-6kills ? Because WE outnumbered the poor guy !!
It goes both ways ! By the time I saddle up on someone's six, I look back and there's 4 friendlies about to jump me

Im' far away from being a bad loser.
Often when you get to challenge a loner, he runs away with his FAST plane  

Is it fair to say that a large majority of players in LATE arenas don't even know how to really scrap ??????
They have PROUD fighter rank numbers below 500's and don't know how to fight when it comes to 1 vs 1 !!!
A great pourcentage of their scores is BOOM and RUN while you can TACTIC


Many times when I get an easy scrap victory in EARLY and MID arenas, I keep track of the pilots. Then I check their FIGHTING history stats. WOW ! To my surpise, they are way low numbers in ranks BUT when I further investigate, they fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas. That only tells me that they BOOM and RUN most of the time !!!

What do you think ?
Sometimes I wish NEWBIES would need to acquire several months of playing before being allowed to play in late arenas. They are just rats in a barrell for good pilots in the late arenas.
Learn to walk before running !
Learn to fight simple odds before gang bangs !
Learn your strong points and weakenesses !

What do you guys think ?
Input anyone ?

Phil:aok

[scottydawg]

You should try doing some events (http://www.ahevents.org) or joining a squad for a little variety, if you'd like your fights a bit more organized.  The AvA (where there are people in there) has better quality fights, most of the time.

All that other stuff is really just a part of the game, pickers, vulchers, etc. You can't change human nature. Some people will always be in it to win at any cost.

[moneyguy]

"boom and run" is an actual type of fighting. some planes are only good fighting like this.

[Geary420]

If you want to focus on getting better hook up with one of the trainers in the TA, or just find yourself some good dueling buddies.  The EW and MW arenas were never that great of a place to find a decent fight when I was playing.  I know what you are saying about how it can take some time to find a fight in there, and if your spending your time looking for one, then you are wasting time that could be used improving your skills.  Honestly other than the TA and the DA I think you should just dive in head first.  It's a game, you die, you re-up.  If you have at least some grasp on BFM and ACM which I gather from your post you do you can start to concentrate on learning some of the finer points of the game.  So many variables come into play that you are never gonna learn unless you just take your lumps like the rest of us.  You need to learn the strengths and weaknesses of the differnent aircraft,  how to handle different situations be it from a disadvantage or an advantage, and start developing your SA.  Is there ganging, picking, ho'ing and all other sorts of dweebery in the LW's? Of course there is, and there probably always will be.  I learned long ago it's much better to fight 5 red guys for a kill, than 5 green ones.  Take some time to get comfortable in the LW's and then when you are on switch to the side with the lowest number, or whatever one is getting steamrolled the worst and defend.  It will keep you in more frequent contact with the enemy.  Nothing in this game will ever compare to a heart pumping, palm sweating 1v1 with two equally skilled pilots, but fighting outnumbered and coming out on top comes close.

[Whitten]

Why did I land with 5-6kills ? Because WE outnumbered the poor guy !! It goes both ways ! By the time I saddle up on someone's six, I look back and there's 4 friendlies about to jump me

Well that’s what will typically happen when you fly with the hoard. To solve this problem, try to find a place away from a major furball where there’s a small sized, evenly matched fight going on between just a few enemies and friendlies. Such fights aren't as unusual as you may think.

Often when you get to challenge a loner, he runs away with his FAST plane

I suggest you fly a fast plane yourself so you can catch them. Or just simply ignore them; let them run away, there are better fights to be had.

To my surpise, they are way low numbers in ranks BUT when I further investigate, they fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas. That only tells me that they BOOM and RUN most of the time !!!

I have to agree with Moneyguy; “Boom and Run” is actually a style of dogfighting more commonly referred to as “Boom and Zoom”. Enemies that may appear to be running are often extending away trying to gain some separation so they can properly set up for another attack. This is because “Fast” planes usually, if not always, make poor turn fighters.

[bj229r]

In EW everyone flies spits and hurricanes,(except for Laz;) ) which can't run away from anything --LW totally different sort of thing--and as was said before, best fights are in a partially populated sector with even numbers---3 on 3, 4 on 4--never get tired of them, win or lose:aok

[dedalos]

I think that the EWA, MWA, and LWA are no different as far as people go.  The difference is that in the EA and MA I have to fly for 10 mins before the bad guy runs, I get ganged, or get taken out by a manned 5" gun.  You can find a fight but thats true for the MA too. AvA, EWA, MWA, LWA, new arenas to come are no different because people dont change when they go there.  Its still the same guys that were flying in the MA.

And don't forget, it is not the new guys that act like that.  The 'vets' have set the example and they use the 'I'm flying it the right way' excuse so the new guys think that this is how they should do it too.

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by dedalos
And don't forget, it is not the new guys that act like that.  The 'vets' have set the example and they use the 'I'm flying it the right way' excuse so the new guys think that this is how they should do it too.

Restated for emphasis.

[SIK1]

Fly into the enemy horde. You may not come out alive, but it will make you a better dogfighter. Then eventualy you will be able to fly into the horde and come out alive with several kills to take home. I haven't got there yet but I'm working on it.

Don't take your score too seriously. To me the only number that really matters in my score is hit percentage, because mine sux and I want to improve it. the rest are just numbers.

Don't let the runners, bangers, and whinners get to you. You have to go through many of them to get to a good fight, but when you get that good fight it makes it all worth it, win or lose. I actually had a guy bail after he lost the advantage he started the fight with, I had to laugh at that one.

Most importantly enjoy what you are doing. If it isn't fun take a break.

[BaldEagl]

fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas... hmm... might be a lesson there.

Seriously Phil, I don't know who you are or what you fly since you post under a shade account but if you expect a B'n'Zer to stay and turn fight with you in a Spit or something I think your in dreamland and don't understand the strengths, weaknesses and preferred fighting styles of the various planes in the LWA's.

You asked what I thought.

[WldThing]

Originally posted by SIK1
Fly into the enemy horde. You may not come out alive, but it will make you a better dogfighter. Then eventualy you will be able to fly into the horde and come out alive with several kills to take home. I haven't got there yet but I'm working on it.

Probably the best adrenaline rush..

[Stang]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas... hmm... might be a lesson there.

Seriously Phil, I don't know who you are or what you fly since you post under a shade account but if you expect a B'n'Zer to stay and turn fight with you in a Spit or something I think your in dreamland and don't understand the strengths, weaknesses and preferred fighting styles of the various planes in the LWA's.

You asked what I thought.

He isn't a shade at 80 posts and being a Canuck.

Why can't a fast plane actually fight?  Who says he's in a spit?

The behavior he describes between the two arenas is spot on.  I have to almost give enemies in LW my 6 to get them to engage.  Sad.  You keep buzzing around looking for easy picks in hordes though.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas... hmm... might be a lesson there.

Yep, the leson is that there is always a fastest plane in any set up and in any arena.  Just because they are fast does not mean they should just cherry, gang,  and run

 if you expect a B'n'Zer to stay and turn fight with you in a Spit or something I think your in dreamland and don't understand the strengths, weaknesses and preferred fighting styles of the various planes in the LWA's.

Here we go.  That is exactly what I am talking about.  Jump in a 190 and claime that the plane made you a vulcher, gang banger, cherry picker, or runner.  

I ve seen people in Spits try to run from an LA7  This is how bad it is with some people.  Once they miss the free six shot, they don't know what to do cause they never tried anything else.  They fly straight try to get away from a 51 or LA7.  They know they cant and yet they still try

[Phil]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
fly FAST PLANES in LATE arenas... hmm... might be a lesson there.

Seriously Phil, I don't know who you are or what you fly since you post under a shade account but if you expect a B'n'Zer to stay and turn fight with you in a Spit or something I think your in dreamland and don't understand the strengths, weaknesses and preferred fighting styles of the various planes in the LWA's.

You asked what I thought.

Hey bud !

Sorry Baldeagle, I have a good fair grasp on the planes flown in those arenas.
I respect everyone's flying style as stated in the initial thread( We pay $$.00 and we r free to do what we wish...)

I'm sure I'm not in the DREAMLAND !
Maybe I should admit that I get frustrated when shot down when I was having a good scrap with one or two adversaries and 5 more were on the way to jump me !
I do admit not feeling so content when I land 3+ kills when I know I didn't work that hard.(outnumbered him or waited for the right time to jump in)

I wish that those pilots in the late wars should come out more often in the mid and early war arenas and really test their skills during even odds.
Take the boxing gloves off and fight bare fists !  LOL
I'm sure many would get a good reality check !

Thanks for the input BaldEagle !

Salute !

[SkyRock]

Phil, look me up in the arenas using the dot P player command and we'll DA a few!  If I'm not on, find Dedalos or BatfinkV and they are good fun fights as well.  Also, look up widewing or some of the other trainors in the TA, as they will give you a fun and respectful fight!

Mark