graphics?

[Krusty]

Originally posted by BS8th_Jaw
I'm beginning to wonder if anyone here has ventured outside of AH2 and played IL2 1946 at all because frankly what you stated above about IL2 is not true. The part about the fuel I haven't researched so I wouldn't know about it.

Yes the Sim has its problems and oleg has reversed his decisions many times (I've been with the Sim since day 1) but thats what happens with games, decisions are made and sometimes reversed and revised.


The fuel issue is correct. Here's the thing. Oleg hasn't "made a bad decision" in regards to the 50cals... He's made a decision. Then reversed it due to mob rule. Then reversed THAT due to a different mob rule. He doesn't care about how his game works as long as he makes money so he panders to the crowed. He simply said "this shall be X damage," then some time later totally changed his mind and said "this shall be X*3 damage," for no reason other than yells and cries from the community. He did not base it on historic values and strengths. This boggles the mind, as the historic values are readily available. He's making up numbers for things when the real numbers can be found with a little work. That's not revising his decision, it's flip-flopping on his game's core values as if they don't matter at all to him.

That statement there tells me that you havent flown il2 1946. Because it isn't true at all. Flaps do not work as super speed breaks on the aircraft in il2, if you were to attempt to use them that way you would either jam them or throw your airplane into a spin/stall. The part about the lift flight code is false, aircraft do not all fly the same in il2. For instance, a zero will climb faster than a wildcat and the wildcat actually stalls out first in a climb due to its heavier weight - since the zero is lighter it climbs alot faster. Each separate aircraft you fly in il2 is different and requires you to learn the airplane before you can become a decent pilot in it. If what you said is true, then that would cut out the learning part as you could just go up in any aircraft and have it act exactly the same as the plane your fighting.

That's not what I meant. As I said, the parameters change (speed, power, climb, etc) from plane to plane, but ALL planes fly and feel the same. They all feel almost identical, and that's just wrong. While the zero may turn tighter circles around a f6f because of the lower stall speed, it still feels like a generic plane, indestinct from all other planes. That is not about the speed/climb. It's about the entire feel of the flight sim. If you don't understand what I mean, perhaps you aren't familiar with non-IL2 flight sims? I lack the articulation to describe it best, but others have agreed with me in the past so I'm not alone in noticing this.

P.S. I meant below "jam" speeds for the flaps.


WW2OL may not be the best, and the flight Sim part of it may not be the best either regardless it is a direct competition Sim for AH2.

No, they both have entirely different audiences. WW2OL is a competitor for games like BF2 and the like. The main focus is indivuduals on the ground. Aces High is designed as an air warfare game. To that end the game focuses on the air aspect with some vehicles thrown in. WW2OL focuses on the ground aspect with some vehicles (planes) thrown in. There is a distinction. They are not direct competitors. If somebody wants to fly they will choose AH. If they aren't really much for realistic flying they'll fly Airfix Fighters, or WW2OL.


Olegs BOB will suppport more than 500 people, its a fact and well known to the il2 crowd. And regardless of what you may think when it releases it will be a direct competitor for people who fly this sim.

Also, il2 is more than an offline flight Sim, there is a huge online community for IL2 (which brings me back to my original point of that you must have never really experienced IL2).

Trust me, I have. I know about the IL2 community. I know about pretty much all of it. Sure, IL2 is an AH competitor, no doubt about it. It's not the same though. It's more a matter of "I want an apple, and I want an orange, but can only afford one," instead of "I want an apple, can only afford one, but can't decide between Granny Smith or Safeway brand."

By that I mean the same audience enjoys both games, but one is an apple the other is an orange. Related, yes, competitors, yes, but IL2 BOB replacing AH? Not too likely.

I know there is a big online IL2 movement, but it still pales compared to Aces High. It's not a matter of numbers. It's something harder to define. Simply upping the numbers allowed on a server isn't going to improve the game. That's like saying upping the numbers on a Counter-Strike server to 500 is going to make it just as fun to play as WOW, because it'll have the same numbers. There are too many other differences to add up.

I'm not a rabid AH "fanboi"... I've tried many other games. I've been looking for other flight sims over the years because I enjoy this genre so much. There was a time I was snapping up every game demo I could for every jet sim out there.

I soon tired of them all, except AH. I've stuck with that since the beginning. Every time I install WB, I uninstall it again after a few sorties. Every time I install IL2 again, I only can stomach the flight model for so long before I stop playing it. I keep it for when the mood strikes me, but when I take off in a 109F in AH2 it feels a lot more like a 109F than when I do it in IL2. In IL2 it feels the same as a lagg3, or a yak9, or a p39, or a fw190... Performs a little different, mind you, but feels the same. One of many reasons I don't prefer IL2.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by PK1Mw
But if you are not happy with that progress, and so hard up for graphics like iL2's or ww2ol, then go play those

Typical suck up to HT attitude.  What is wrong with wanting the game to look better?

HTC in general has enuff things to worry about than boosting up the graphics which at this point in completely unnecessary.

That is your opinion and nothing more.  I remember my first day in the game.  It was a disapointment as far as the looks go.  Even now.  The sun for example should not be in front of the mountains.

Lets worry about getting our planes modeled correctly, getting the B25, new maps, and CT.

Well, the models have been perfect since day one
new maps are done by players (I think)
and the CT will  be done in 2 weeks

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by thndregg
I look at it this way. What we play now is a loooooooong way from these "stone age graphics":



I'm pretty comfortable with Aces High.

Funny thing is that we all had a blast with games that looked that way. Kinda makes you wonder what we will be playing 10 years from now

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by BS8th_Jaw
WW2OL may not be the best, and the flight Sim part of it may not be the best either regardless it is a direct competition Sim for AH2.

Last time I played ww2ol there were significantly less players there than AH. And its air war graphics were significantly inferior not to mention the flying-in-a-fog-bubble. Methinks you do not speak from experience.

Ever played in one of AHs organized events? No? Try it, nothing else compares and you'll see AH at its best.

MA is just furballing practise. Events are the real game.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Funny thing is that we all had a blast with games that looked that way. Kinda makes you wonder what we will be playing 10 years from now

We'll be playing this:

[Shuffler]

Originally posted by dedalos
Typical suck up to HT attitude.  What is wrong with wanting the game to look better?



That is your opinion and nothing more.  I remember my first day in the game.  It was a disapointment as far as the looks go.  Even now.  The sun for example should not be in front of the mountains.

 

Well, the models have been perfect since day one
new maps are done by players (I think)
and the CT will  be done in 2 weeks

Your still around... why?

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by BS8th_Jaw

For example, when Oleg's IL2 released, it came out with two available options for graphics for users. Users could set very basic settings if their computer couldnt handle it, other users with better machines could set the graphics higher with a little know how thus giving them the experience of a lifetime by getting awesome graphics with good game play.

IL2 is also a boxed game and unlike AH.  Since the main way of getting AH2 is via download, the file size has to be kept in mind.  How would you like to have to sit through downloading a 1gig+ game like IL2 on a dial up connection?  Even on broadband it takes some time.

On the contrary, have you ever heard of World War 2 online? its a game that offers this type of game play + much much more... and soon, Oleg's battle of Britain will be coming out, according to my research his new series will offer the same exact game play as this Sim offers currently plus a lot more; ground battles (infantry as well), sea battles and air battles all packed into one - except heres where the difference will be, it will have awesome graphics and realism added into it and those two, when combined, will win players hearts.

WW2OL's graphics aren't stellar and if you haven't played it (sounds like you haven't) then you wouldn't know that the FM sucks, I mean really sucks and is only decent if you enjoy the ground combat portion.  Think twice about using WW2OL as an example of "what to do" as it's a better example of "what not to do".

Oleg's game will most likely (if the posts on their forums is any indication) the same multiplayer format his current crop of games.  With all the delays that game has already suffered and will most likely the release date will be pushed back further (rumor is 2nd/3rd quarter of '08 and game was scheduled to be released in '06)  that AH will probably have been updated a few more times with additional aircraft and some more graphic optimizations and hopefully Combat Tour.  I don't see any threat from Oleg and the Rodina to HiTech.

You see, with todays gaming community, there are two types of players. Game play players and Graphics players and of course you always have the people who are in the middle who will sacrifice either for a game; meaning they would sacrifice graphics for game play or vise versa. I'm more of the third type, I love flying IL2 and I especially love the graphics that the game offers... however I think IL2 is a bit shallow on the game play side of things because it doesn't offer quite as much as say AH2 does - which is why I have started playing this Sim, yet, even though I like this Sim I'm starting to see flaws that could eventually make me stop flying it.

You're an eye candy sort of player that would gladly sacrifice realism for great graphics.  Typical casual sim player.

For instance, the flight model... I find it very unrealistic compared to IL2 - now this could just be maybe because I'm flying on the big arena's and I'm not exactly sure of their realism settings... or it could be the Sim itself... so if someone can fill me in on this that would be nice.[/b]

Nothing to fill in, it's just a matter of your perception.  But I really do hate to burst your bubble but AH has the better flight model.

Also another thing that turns me off towards this Sim is its lack of historical accuracy. I come from a very historically based family so I love history (My grandpa flew in WW2 and I have heard a whole bunch of stories from him) and when I get into a flight simulator I Like to see historical accuracy as well as fun game play. IL2 kind of hit realism on the head... it still has a bunch of issues however. AH2's problem is its lack of... should I say ww2 realism? In the fact that when you takeoff instead of fighting German or Japanese Aircraft, I'm fighting mainly American and British aircraft... this just isn't fun for me same goes for ground units... when two tanks clash its usually two Panzer's vs one another... not a Panzer and a sherman. Yes I know there is a Axis vs Allies server... except theres one problem.. its always empty. I don't know why the Sim has gone this direction... because it really takes away from a WW2 simulator when you are fighting the wrong battle.

This is not a World War II simulator.  This is a game that simulate aerial combat using World War II aircraft.  If you want to "recreate" the war then WW2OL should be your next stop.

I mean think about it...in World War II did they fight for God, country and sheep?  Last time I checked, there weren't any countries called Bishops, Knights and Rooks.  So please, don't play the "this isn't a historically accurate game" card.  

Take part in scenarios, FSO/Snapshots and the AvA arena if you want a more historical plane match-up.

This game has Great potential to become incredible but I believe the only thing holding it back is its graphics engine. Even though the player base is somewhat older people than usual, I still believe that those older people will want better graphics in the future.

This game has already reached the "incredible" level, no potential at all about it.  It is also by far the best online combat flight sim available.  You'll find that most of the player base for these sort of games tends to be on the "older" side of things, while it's grown in the last few years, online flight sims is still pretty much a niche game and will attract older players more readily than younger ones.

ack-ack

[straffo]

500 people is either 5 hordes of 100 , 50 hordes of 10 or whatever combination possible

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Krusty
We'll be playing this:

blah civilian flying is boring.. i need my guns

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Nilsen
blah civilian flying is boring.. i need my guns

Oh that was just MSFS MCCXVI  

Janes "Classic Fighters of the 1900s" will look more like this:

http://www.acc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/050429-F-3961R-003.jpg

[TequilaChaser]

BS8th_Jaw,
1st offf,  welcome to Aces High, and what is your ingame gameid?

2nd, I think you would be amazed or surprised at how many Aces high community members/online players actually play both IL-2 and Aces High at the same time.aloong with a good number of Aces High members who are probably caught up in playing 3 to 4 online WW2 flight sims at the same time

Aces High 2,
Targeware's:  Target Rabual, Target Midway, Target Korea
Warbirds II / III  ( in which if you were un aware, hitech  had his hand in the making of WB's btw )
long ago we had AirWarrior  ( hitech also helped in the programming of that game as well )
players also play Fighter Ace, wwiionline, we used to have 4vs4/8vs8 rooms on Jane's Combat Fighter network

and a good majority of the Aces High community has probably been and was  in to the flight sim scene long before  IL-2 ( or any of its add on packs ), Fighter Aces, Targetware,  Jane's Online combat fighter s,  wwiionline , had ever even became a thought in peoples minds....yet  we all are still here, alot of us give each new up and coming online flight sim a fair shake down........

and what  some people ahve typed in this thread is fact..

you are comparing apples to oranges.......

talking about a new IL-2 1946 Bob addon /er game is no different than HTC  building  an add-on /stand alone game part to HTC called Combat Tour........

before slamming another games flight model though, you should really do research and have facts and not opinions.......that is best for everyone and reduces any flaming or flame baiting

check out the events, check out AvsA  on Tues and Thrus nights ( usually draws a good crowd ),  
register for the upcoming Scenario, Scenario's  "ROCK".......if you want historical fun, just like FSO's on fridays and also the individual snapshot events.......

again, welcome you and your squad to Aces High

~S~

[Krusty]

I see now that I came off somewhat antagonistic. For that I apologize. I welcome you as well, and stand by the points I made, but am sorry for the un-neighborly tone I took.

[Mr No Name]

BoB game looks great.  I don't believe it is supposed to be released for another 5 months but here is a preview I found...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9OWQ55n8ig

IF (Such a huge huge word) that game has over 500 in an arena... wooooooooooooohooooooooooo!

AH guys have a lot of talent and I hope they will step up and top this.  It certainly is something to hope for!  :-D

[blkmgc]

Originally posted by BS8th_Jaw
WW2OL may not be the best, and the flight Sim part of it may not be the best either regardless it is a direct competition Sim for AH2.

 

Ummm.....no. Not even close. 90's graphics do absolutely nothing for me.

Granted, theres room for improvement, but AH is way way farther ahead of WWIIOL graphically. And sorry, dressing up 4 year old airframes in a new dress does not constitute an update. Believe me, after paying for it since 2001, theres no one who would like to see that game advance more than me...but I simply dont see it.

[Roscoroo]

Whats really funny is BS8th_Jaw has no Idea how many of us have All the il2 games sitting in our box of games ...

I myself have all of those, plus Janes, Fighter ace 1-3,WB 1-3,CFS 1-3,MSFS ,targetware,lomac, wings over vietnam,BF 1942, crimson skys, DOA, plus others .

Most of us have flown all these games and more . Theres a reason we're all huddled together here in AH ... (I'll leave that to you to figure out)