Author Topic: graphics? (Read 5914 times)

blkmgc · « **Reply #45 on:** August 09, 2007, 07:24:56 PM »

Heh, pretty much the same collection..although I couldnt bring myself to buy BF1942.

DOA I& 2 were a blast! 3 totally killed the community...that and the simultaneous killing off of 2.

TwentyFo · « **Reply #46 on:** August 09, 2007, 07:34:34 PM »

Oh the argument between graphic quality and game play. AH graphics aren't too bad, they could be better, but overall I am pleased with them. I am hooked on this game because of the game play. I have played many games that looked good, but had horrible gameplay (I.E. Madden 07 on PS3. Ended up buying Madden for the ps2 due to the horrible game play on the ps3 version...I hope this Madden holiday yields a good game for the ps3).

The Fugitive · « **Reply #47 on:** August 09, 2007, 07:45:36 PM »

What I can't figure out is why BS8th_Jaw is playing AH? I mean really if the game is so much more inferior than IL2 why stay?

BS8th_Jaw, you may be taking a bit of flak here for coming in on your high horse, but those of us who have been here for ever have seen the steady changes AH has made over the years. You come in and what a few days, weeks, know whats wrong and what needs to be done to improve AH. I think if you take the time to get to know the community, and and the company HTC, you'll understand why so many people rise up to defend "their" game and HTC.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #48 on:** August 09, 2007, 08:29:25 PM »

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Originally posted by BS8th_Jaw
Its fairly good yes, but the original thing that caused me to notice the rather outdated graphics was the lack of historical accuracy on the game play side of things (lack of Axis vs Allied). That was the first thing I noticed, the second thing was the flight model, and the last thing was the graphics.

What am I missing here. You dont like the histirical accuracy, the flight model(s) or the graphics. What exactly is it you DO like thats keeping you from going somewhere else?

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #49 on:** August 09, 2007, 09:24:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Bruv119
With all settings maxed, hi res pack and some of better skins the game looks great.

You have to remember that this game is for online combat. Not 32 player, not 100 player, but several hundreds.

It also caters for people who don't have the latest super dooper computers so they can still play too.

This community thrives on the dogfights, the battles over land and the egos clashing. No other WW2 combat simulation provides the same overall experience.

The latest patch has made the game look better from what it was so HTC does put the effort in to improve. Some of the latest boxed games have looked very pretty and I know what point you are trying to make.

However, nearly all of these new boxed games the flight models are very poor. HT has spent alot of time perfecting the physics and I for one would prefer to have a better flight model over superb eye candy any day.

Bruv
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no one could have said it better than the first reply.
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BS8th_Jaw · « **Reply #50 on:** August 09, 2007, 11:36:47 PM »

See, you all have misunderstood what im talking about here.

I did not say I hated the game, on the contrary I like playing AH. I am only making a point that with the amount of money that the company takes in they should be able to provide a slightly better graphics system.

And as a real world pilot, I believe that the flight model in this game is not as realistic as people seem to think. IL2's flight model system is a bit closer to what feels natural in a real aircraft, or at least to me. Im not saying that the flight model is terrible, but im not saying its great, im just saying its good but still needs some work.

And please don't speak to me as if I have not been around, I've flown nearly every flight Sim I could get my hands on and have settled with IL2 and AH, mainly because those two have the biggest player base and the best game play/graphics. I have played ww2OL and don't care for it, I've also played War birds (didn't care much for it either) as well as several of the old titles you guys' have listed, so your aren't the only ones who have done their research on flight Sims.

As I stated before, me and my squadron are enrolled in the FSO and are planning on a few other events as well - also as I stated before however, I would hate to think that that is the ONLY time that me and my squadron can enjoy some nice historically based game play. Which is why I brought up the part about the online arena's not being AvA. I also stated that this is the main reason for us becoming active in AH2, because it offers more of a squadron based online community than IL2 does.

Im not attempting to be ruled out as the bad guy here, im just merrily taking a stand and wondering about future graphics updates for the game and if the y will improve to be a lot better than the current graphics.

Oh, and btw, I am not the eyecandy type of person, if I was, i would have never came here, dled the game, and started playing it. If I was the eye candy type of person i would have skipped this Sim altogether and just kept playing my IL2.

As far as the feeling the airplane thing goes, I know exactly what you are talking about and I get that in IL2 because each aircraft is different - I also get it here.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #51 on:** August 10, 2007, 12:43:50 AM »

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Originally posted by BS8th_Jaw
And please don't speak to me as if I have not been around, I've flown nearly every flight Sim I could get my hands on and have settled with IL2 and AH, mainly because those two have the biggest player base and the best game play/graphics. I have played ww2OL and don't care for it, I've also played War birds (didn't care much for it either) as well as several of the old titles you guys' have listed, so your aren't the only ones who have done their research on flight Sims.

Let me ask this question then since you didn't answer my last one. Exactly how long have you been flying on-line flight sims?

Many of us have been around since the early to mid '90's, some as far back as the '80's with on-line flight sims.

The ones most popular have always featured "open arenas", those which allowed you to fly whatever you wanted to. Likewise, they have all featured three countries. These two factors alone seem to be key ingredients to on-line success and nessesarily rule out the historical accuracy aspect. Because of that, each of them has also included scenarios to bring that aspect into play for those that want it.

As to the flight models, I'm not a real world pilot but you, I'm guessing, have never flown a WWII fighter either. Therefore, the only guage as to which is more realistic is matching the models in the various sims to real world test data for each specific aircraft. You mentioned that you've done your research. Have you really? Visit the Aircraft and Vehicle forums. Scroll through the topics. Actual test data vs. AH modling is discussed regularily. The players keep the heat on HTC to model these things correctly. That said there is room for improvement in specific models, but I'm convinced that when I hop into whtever I hop into that it's as close to the real thing as I'm going to find in a flight sim.

Relative to graphics, is there room for improvement? Yes. Is it nessesary? In my opinion no. I will lobby as I'm one of those with an antiquated machine but in other games they provide graphic options which still allow me to play, albeit minus some of the eye-candy, and I'm sure they could do the same here. But that's not the issue in my mind. I'd like to see HTC spend their limited resources on further developing the plane-set/vehicle-set and enhancing gameplay than spending it on developing a new graphics platform that is just fine the way it is, and that has been what they've done in the past.

Don't get me wrong here. I'm not trying to rip on you but I've been around for a long time and for me at least, it's the balance between diversity, playability and immersion. I've never seen it all but HTC does a great job in balancing these things. Why do you think all of these people who have been around so long have all gravitated here?

Welcome aboard. We'll probably be discussing things like this for the next decade or so.

JimmyZ · « **Reply #52 on:** August 10, 2007, 01:30:15 AM »

How do those B24 cockpit and gun positions look in IL2? Oh wait,..... never mind.

WMLute · « **Reply #53 on:** August 10, 2007, 02:14:05 AM »

Another thing to note...

If you have flown AcesHigh for less than 6 months (1 year really) then you have no clue about it's FM.

It takes at least that long to get a good "feel" for the various aircraft and how they perform.

You will be able to do things in your planes after flying for a year you couldn't even dream of pulling off when you first start.

That's one of the things I love about AcesHigh.

I agree that the IL2 flight modeling is "flat". All the planes do indeed fly pretty much the same. (And yes i've flown WarBirds, AirWarrior, Fighter Ace, WW2Online, Aces High, and IL2. Been at this for almost 12yrs now)

I'm surprised nobody brought up the IL2 view system yet.

(edit: you want historical? click the CALENDAR link at the top of the page here)

dedalos · « **Reply #54 on:** August 10, 2007, 08:07:30 AM »

See Rule #4

dedalos · « **Reply #55 on:** August 10, 2007, 08:12:25 AM »

See Rules #4, #5

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #56 on:** August 10, 2007, 09:06:51 AM »

i agree the sun when its cut in half at sunrise/sunset and a few other graphical errors do seriously detract from the visual experience.

but really dedalos, i know your point is correct, but to me it looks like the majority who reply against graphical improvements are listing the decent and accurate reasons for it, not just sucking up.

that being said the thread starter has every right to start this thread on this topic, its a good topic and one that really would be nice to get some HTC feedback on.

dedalos · « **Reply #57 on:** August 10, 2007, 10:49:39 AM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV

but really dedalos, i know your point is correct, but to me it looks like the majority who reply against graphical improvements are listing the decent and accurate reasons for it, not just sucking up.

Well, if they are it is pure luck. HT does not report to me what his plans are, what he can do, what he is whilling to spend to do them, etc etc. Maybe he does report to them.

My point is that saing we dont need better graphics or that someone should just leave if they dont like something about the game is total BS.

TwentyFo · « **Reply #58 on:** August 10, 2007, 11:05:30 AM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i agree the sun when its cut in half at sunrise/sunset and a few other graphical errors do seriously detract from the visual experience.

Speaking of the sun, would it hurt to include a pair of sunglasses in every plane. Come on, we all know WWII pilots rocked the Aviators.

dedalos · « **Reply #59 on:** August 10, 2007, 11:48:40 AM »

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Originally posted by TwentyFo
Speaking of the sun, would it hurt to include a pair of sunglasses in every plane. Come on, we all know WWII pilots rocked the Aviators.

Or to be able to read the map?