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Offline Lusche

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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2007, 02:18:01 PM »
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I agree..

I was lucky enough to get 3 proxies in a C-47 the other night.  I was on the ground at a V base dropping troops.  When we got the base, 3 osties got taken out and I got the kills.  

If you will look here Scca's Scores you will see I have 1 bomber kill.  If you go here "Kills" link at bottom of page You will see I have 3 C-47 kills (it's a bomber right?) and 5 Ship Gunner kills for a total of 8.  At the bottom of the page there is a comment "Total Kills not counted towards Rank", that equals 8.



Because GV kills in bomber are treated the same way like GV kills in fighters. Even if you bomb them (=no proxy) the only appear in expanded stats.

Proxy kills on enemy PLANES still count...
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2007, 02:29:45 PM »
I'd like the ack weenies to get credit for their own kills so that I can tell whether I actually hit anything when in a field gun.

As it is now, I'm never sure (although I strongly suspect that I'm about as dangerous as a daffodil waving in the breeze when I man one...)

Have fun trying though!

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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2007, 02:29:56 PM »
Always thought that proxy DEATHS count on both stats and score. Deaths without a "killer" count for scores and NOT for stats.

But I'm almost positive that proxy kills do not show up as kills on the scores pages. They do count on Stats pages. If you're right Lusche, and proxies do help the KPD, then that is DEFINITELY a change from the way things used to be.

(I'm sure of that because I back when I was starting I ran a spreadsheet that figured duplicated the AH stats, and added other calculations on top of them....and the formula I used did not count proxies, but got the same results AH did.)
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2007, 02:34:41 PM »
Are you guys talking about manned ack??????  If the manned gun gets a hit he gets the kill.  If not, who ever is closest.  Am I missing something here?
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2007, 02:35:27 PM »
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Because GV kills in bomber are treated the same way like GV kills in fighters. Even if you bomb them (=no proxy) the only appear in expanded stats.

Proxy kills on enemy PLANES still count...


not according to the AH help files:
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Kills per Death = TotalKills / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)

TotalKills are just air-to-air kills for fighter missions, air-to-air + air-to-ground kills for all other mission types
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2007, 02:36:12 PM »
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Because GV kills in bomber are treated the same way like GV kills in fighters. Even if you bomb them (=no proxy) the only appear in expanded stats.

Proxy kills on enemy PLANES still count...

....unless you are in attack mode, then the ground kills on GV's count.

It's all so confusing SKUZZY HELP!!!  This is more confusing than my VISA rewards points..
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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2007, 03:02:03 PM »
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....unless you are in attack mode, then the ground kills on GV's count.


Yup. I should have said "fighter mode" instead of "fighters" ;)
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2007, 03:04:34 PM »
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not according to the AH help files:

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Kills per Death = TotalKills / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)

TotalKills are just air-to-air kills for fighter missions, air-to-air + air-to-ground kills for all other mission types

 



That does not contradict my statements.

Bombers do not have a "Kills per death" score at all. So the above formula is only relevant to kills in attack or fighter mode.

If you bomb a GV in bomber mode, it will only show on your expanded stats.

I did that sometimes in old TT, bombing spawns from 20k. None of the kills ever showed on scorepage, just on "stats". ;)
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2007, 03:11:41 PM »
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not according to the AH help files:


The AH help files also say
We have ten base categories that are scored at the end of each sortie depending upon your mission type.  Only air categories are scored for fighter mission types, ground categories only for bomber mission types, and both air and ground are scored for attack, vehicle, boat and field gunner mission types.
 

Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points
Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2007, 04:10:56 PM »
Dedalos, I caused your confusion - I'm the only one (so far) that mentioned manned ack.

And I mentioned it because here I am wit me widdle gun, blasting away at anything and everything that I might even remotely have a chance at hitting and probably a whole bunch that I don't - and then I'm awarded a kill.  

Did I hit something, or did Wild Bill Kelso auger it in, and I happened to be the closest by?

I never know....

but if the ackweenies got their fair share of credit, then I would know just how poorly I do.

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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2007, 04:12:21 PM »
How about ack weenies actually dying when their position is
destroyed rather than "landing" as well.
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2007, 04:13:04 PM »
There is nothing more satisfying than having no ammo and flying your opponent(s) into the ground ... I will take those proxy kills anyday.

And to reiterate what Dedalos said ...

If in a field/ship gun and you hit an aircraft and it goes down before anyone in a plane hits it ... the field/ship gunner gets the kill ... no proxy awarded at all to planes in the area.

If in a field/ship gun and you hit an aircraft and as it goes down, someone in a plane hits it ... the field/ship gunner will most likely get the kill and the person in the plane will get the assist. The outcome here would be the same as someone "kill stealing" ... again ... no proxy awarded at all to planes in the area..

So really ... what's the problem ?
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2007, 04:29:02 PM »
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There is nothing more satisfying than having no ammo and flying your opponent(s) into the ground ... I will take those proxy kills anyday.
 


I was wondering if anyone else felt that way. I simply LOVE suckering a high E attacker into the ground.
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2007, 04:34:11 PM »
After reading and practicing Zazens Osti/Field gun info, manning an ack gun is darn fun.

Usually it's killing vulchers (nttiawwt) or someone trying to bomb your osti so it's a hoot.  I think auto ack is the issue here.

If auto ack kills a plane that is otherwise untouched, should anyone get the kill?  No big deal to me, but might fall under "house keeping" changes.
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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2007, 05:07:47 PM »
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You are wrong. They are kills just like any other for K/D purposes. They just don't give you perk points.

Proxies do not count for rank or points!   You land them, they are recorded as kills, but do not affect rank score or perk points!
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