Theft, The Law, and Justice...

[AKIron]

Well, rpm would need video evidence of the particular bar coded packages that baggy pants stuffed down his drawers. he could then show that those packages are missing and were taken. I doubt his cameras have that sort of resolution though.

[moot]

Every other package earmarked by barcode being accounted for in the transaction records isn't proof enough?
The only loophole in this case would be for hamburglar to swap meat with the law-abiding customers, before reaching the cashiers.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by moot
Every other package earmarked by barcode being accounted for in the transaction records isn't proof enough?
The only loophole in this case would be for hamburglar to swap meat with the law-abiding customers, before reaching the cashiers.

Here's the scenario to which I allude:

Cheap mom puts steaks in her cart and later stuffs them in her purse out of sight of the camera. She leaves without paying for them. These are now the only steaks unaccounted for.

Baggy pants sticks the steaks in his pants to relieve swelling or maybe just because he uh, well, nevermind. Before leaving the store he pulls them out of his pants and pays for them.

The only steaks missing are the ones cheap mom stole but there is no record tying those to her or the ones baggy pants paid for and took home and uh... ate.

[Meatwad]

I've had people pull off the tags from ground beef and put them on packages of steaks.

The butcher is who caught it first and pointed it out to the rest of us.


Needless to say, the cashier was at fault partially because she didnt care to read the tag on several packs of T-bones that said "73/27 GROUND BEEF"

[AKIron]

My point is it ain't stealing to stick something in your pocket at the store, or at least it shouldn't be. Walking out of the store without paying is. If your cameras don't cover the whole store they should.

[moot]

The easiest way to show rpm's thief did lift those steaks is with an uninterrupted recording of him from the meats area to the registers, where the footage shows there is no way for the steaks to leave his pants, which is unfeasible.  If he stays behind a clothes stand long enough, you could argue he salvoed the steaks there.
It would get Orwellian, but if the surveillance cams were synced with the registers, you could differentiate each sale and so ID every batch of steaks bought.  Here, if the surveillance is omnipresent, cheap mom is by elimination the only one whose steaks are unaccounted for.
But then, back i the real world with less than omnipresent cams, that's assuming everyone is either paying for exactly what steaks they show or not paying at all; so steak boy could just bait the cameras with a few dummy steaks while smuggling a bunch more under his pants.  And you have no way to tell who's carrying steaks incognito or not, so that the missing steaks could be pooled between any number of people.. those steaks are good as gone.

Magnetic tags like books have might be the most effective solution, but that's probably not worth the expense in RPM's case.

[SirLoin]

I confess..i did it!!

[Maverick]

FWIW in AZ., willfull concealment of the merchandise is sufficient for the store employees to detain for shoplifting. Placing the steaks inside his pants would qualify.

I really don't know if the tape would be sufficient for a prosecutor to file on. That would have to be dependent on the policy of the county / city prosecutors office.

A second occurance of the theft by the same suspect might be sufficeint grounds to charge for a felony burglary if the statute is the same as in Arizona.

[john9001]

the thief is thinking "$300, WTF, i only took two steaks". RPM took the rest and claimed a $300 theft.  It's a old insurance con.

[texasmom]

Maverick, what happened to the #3 in your signature?

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by Maverick
FWIW in AZ., willfull concealment of the merchandise is sufficient for the store employees to detain for shoplifting. Placing the steaks inside his pants would qualify.

I really don't know if the tape would be sufficient for a prosecutor to file on. That would have to be dependent on the policy of the county / city prosecutors office.

A second occurance of the theft by the same suspect might be sufficeint grounds to charge for a felony burglary if the statute is the same as in Arizona.

yup and sometimes the store employee can effect a sentence of  death on the thief right then and there.  More than one shoplifter has been killed here in  AZ by store employees.  The usual form of execution: suffocation by sitting on thief.   Sweet.  A few more of those and some thieves might actually be deterred.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by texasmom
Maverick, what happened to the #3 in your signature?

He needs a "this number left intentionally blank"

[Maverick]

Originally posted by texasmom
Maverick, what happened to the #3 in your signature?

It came because my sig, which was the same thing I have now was deleted by a mod who felt it  had more than 5 lines. The numbers just make it easier for a mod to see it is in compliance.



Steve, you really are out there on that one. Yep folks have died resisting and also attempting to make the detention. The occurrence is very small. I suppose you have a different solution to detain a thief who threatens the staff or does commit an assault on them while practicing his / her craft of stealing. Perhaps the store should just remove those pesky clerks and cash registers and just give the merchandise away, that way no one would be stealing.

[AKIron]

Thieves will probably be among us for a looong time. Yes, hate them, especially when they take from you. See that they are punished whenever possible. Killing them isn't worth the karma.

[rpm]

Originally posted by SteveBailey
Reap what you sow, lefty.   Vote for liberals, get this.  I love it.

Ah, I knew this was coming. One small problem with your theory Steve-O, I live in the heart of the Republican belt...Texas.
Governor? Republican.
Lt. Governor? Republican.
Speaker of the House? Republican.
State Represenative? Republican.
County Judge? Republican.
County Sheriff? Republican.
County Court at Law Judge? Republican.
District Attorney? Republican.
County Attorney? Republican.
Justice of The Peace? Republican.
Mayor? Republican.
City Council? All Republicans.

Chew on that a while and tell me how it's the fault of Democrats. I have faith you will be able to spin it hard enough to completely exonerate all the above mentioned politicians....Republican politicians.