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Offline Shamus

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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2007, 10:32:48 AM »
I don't like the seatbelt law. it should be ones individual choice and interestingly enough the only time I don't wear one is for the same reason storch alluded to.

That being said anyone who argues that seatbelts don't save lives and lessen injuries is a troll or a fool.

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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2007, 10:38:30 AM »
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That being said anyone who argues that seatbelts don't save lives and lessen injuries is a troll or a fool.

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How do you explain my sisters accident then?
The police and EMT said if she had it on she'd have been killed.

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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2007, 10:50:36 AM »
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How do you explain my sisters accident then?
The police and EMT said if she had it on she'd have been killed.

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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2007, 10:56:37 AM »
My point is depending on what type of collision , belts can help or hurt.

Argue that all ya want.

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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2007, 10:58:20 AM »
i'll take my chances with the belt on thanks.

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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2007, 11:09:02 AM »
I always wore my seatbelt before it became law and if the law is repealed, I will still always ware it.

But I don't think the state has any right to tell us we have to.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2007, 11:13:35 AM »
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My point is depending on what type of collision , belts can help or hurt.

Argue that all ya want.

Bronk


There's no such thing as a safe accident. The percentages say that for every one person who lived because they didn't wear a belt, there are several who died because they didn't. I'll take my chances with my belt, and if you're riding in my car, so will you or you're walking.

This is one of lazs favourite trolls - hence the 'don't let women drive me' comment. His argument is that he doesn't need a belt because he's so good at driving he'll never have an accident, but don't let that fool you. Even he isn't so dumb to believe his skill can get him out of every possible situation the other idiots on the road present.

For all that, I do think it should be personal choice. Darwin works in mysterious ways.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2007, 11:17:29 AM by 68Wooley »

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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2007, 11:22:33 AM »
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My point is depending on what type of collision , belts can help or hurt.

Argue that all ya want.

Bronk

Yeah, and the odds look something like this.

In 99 999 cases of 100 000, the belt helps. In 1 case of 100 000 it hurts.

Are you a betting man? Where would you put your money?

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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2007, 11:23:48 AM »
Started wearing a seatbelt regularly back in the 1980s when I was told by my unit commander ....

"If you die in a vehicle accident and you didn't have your seatbelt on your surviving family will not recieve your service members life insurance".

I got used to it very fast. It's been second nature with me for years now.

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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2007, 11:24:06 AM »
I have always worn a seatbelt when driving a car that had seatbelts since 1973.  Never had a problem wearing one, its automatic for me, first thing I do when I get in the car is put on my seatbelt.  It has nothing to do with any laws just something I was taught by my parents.   I was taught that a seatbelt helps you stay behind the wheel and in control of the car while driving and when necessary avoiding an accident.  
For those who think not wearing a seatbelt is better because they escaped death or serious injury during an accident and were not wearing a seatbelt; I can recall accidents were people were killed or seriously injured because they were ejected from the car and then crushed or hit by other vehicles and the accident itself was survivable.  Of course there are going to be accidents where it doesnt matter if you had a seatbelt or not, 80 mph headon with a semi is pretty ugly.  

The important thing is to drive defensively, pay attention to the road and conditions and watch the other guy.   I'm teaching my son and my daughter to drive by telling them to expect the unexpected, dont just watch the car in front of you but 3 or 4 cars ahead.  Watch the drivers behind you and beside you.  Beaware of your space on the road and leave yourself some space so you can avoid the idiots that change lanes without looking or fly through traffic like they're racing NASCAR.    And when the weather is bad you have double your efforts to protect yourself because those idiots are even worse when the roads are bad.

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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2007, 11:25:00 AM »
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There's no such thing as a safe accident. The percentages say that for every one person who lived because they didn't wear a belt, there are several who died because they didn't. I'll take my chances with my belt, and if you're riding in my car, so will you or you're walking.

This is one of lazs favourite trolls - hence the 'don't let women drive me' comment. His argument is that he doesn't need a belt because he's so good at driving he'll never have an accident, but don't let that fool you. Even he isn't so dumb to believe his skill can get him out of every possible situation the other idiots on the road present.


Where did I say safe? I said help or hurt. As in the belt can either prevent or add to the injuries.

I've seen the results of this type of accident first hand.
Frontal impacts, yes the belt is helps.  A side impact where it holds you in the seat could be a bad thing. The seat is ripped from the mounts but the belt anchor pins remain in their mounts. The person would be crushed.

 I'm not saying seat belts are a bad thing. I'm saying in certain collisions they are not helpful.


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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2007, 11:28:21 AM »
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Originally posted by Maverick My masculinity is not threatened by the use of a helmet or seatbelt.
That is the crux of the issue.  

I wear em, always have, always will.   I've heard too many stories from my old neighbor growing up (He's a Police Chief) about "what not wearing a seat belt can do to you."
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« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2007, 11:57:20 AM »
After seeing the results of not wearing them on countless occasions, I know  you are better off wearing them.

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« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2007, 12:14:10 PM »
I think its funny that the state I live in makes you wear a seatbelt, but you dont have to wear a helmet on a motorcycle.

I have always worn a helmet.

I am so glad the state is looking out for me.

They are so good at taking care of us.:rofl

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« Reply #29 on: August 21, 2007, 12:26:06 PM »
Seatbelts? Yeah, I always wear them.

I don't eat perishable food that's been left out too long also, common sense has it's advantages.