If you didn't have to wear.....

[lazs2]

traveler...  airscrew is probly right... I've used mine up... had a hell of a good time doing it to.  I bet they last me another few decades too...  no sense getting all womanly about the whole thing.

I don't care if 50,000 people die a year out of 300 million... or if 10,000 of em coulda been saved had they worn a seatbelt... that is still my decision. not yours.

we could save countless lives if we made everyone wear lifejackets when they swam..  there is a push to do just that...  it is bs.

Like I said... you are welcome to wear yours even (LOL) in the back of a limo...  I think you are damaged by what you have seen and you think I am a fool... er... no... didn't you say I was just stupid?   wonder what you think of swimmers and motorcycle riders and people who get out of bed in the morning?

lazs

[lazs2]

airscrew... you are right for the most part... the people of my generation grew up with no belts or... lap belts.  we knew the dangers tho.. don't fool yourself.

The reason we don't wear em now is because we know what it it like to take a long trip without em.. the freedom of movement can't be compared what we have now.

For you younger guys who doubt me... I challenge you to find out for yourself....  

take a long trip and don't wear your seatbelts and then come back here and tell me with a straight face that it was no better than wearing the things.  that the experiance wasn't better.

Like riding without a helmet...  there just is no comparisson.

If you get past that... find a girl that is not the villiage potato and try some sex without a rubber and see if that is not better too.

hell... eat a little fatty food...  swim without a life jacket....

sheesh...

you let your kids go to school in buses that have no seatbelts or.. the are not required to...

I just think it is funny that so many are so passionate about protecting me from myself when...  in travelers case at least.. it is apparent that they dislike me intensely.

lazs

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by lazs2
airscrew... you are right for the most part... the people of my generation grew up with no belts or... lap belts.  we knew the dangers tho.. don't fool yourself.

The reason we don't wear em now is because we know what it it like to take a long trip without em.. the freedom of movement can't be compared what we have now.

For you younger guys who doubt me... I challenge you to find out for yourself....  

take a long trip and don't wear your seatbelts and then come back here and tell me with a straight face that it was no better than wearing the things.  that the experiance wasn't better.

Like riding without a helmet...  there just is no comparisson.

If you get past that... find a girl that is not the villiage potato and try some sex without a rubber and see if that is not better too.

hell... eat a little fatty food...  swim without a life jacket....

sheesh...

you let your kids go to school in buses that have no seatbelts or.. the are not required to...

I just think it is funny that so many are so passionate about protecting me from myself when...  in travelers case at least.. it is apparent that they dislike me intensely.

lazs

also remember cars were built just a bit more sturdy then they are now.

Back in the day an accident at 25 MPH was called a minor fender bender.
Now it almost always includes a trip in an ambulance for someone.

Actually Instead of a seatbelt Im thinking of just getting an old car from the 50s.
Even in a Head on collision with todays cars.
I'd win.

Hell I'd probably only barely notice I hit anything other then the debri from the other vehicle flying around.

But seriously.
I dont wear one My choice.
My wife and 19 year old son both wear them. Their choice.

I dont care what anyone says. I fond the damn things to be uncomfortable.

A few weeks ago I went to watch my nephew play in an allstar football game at Kean University.

After leaving everyone was pestering me about wearing a seatbelt cause there were so many cops around.
So I complied...for about 10 minutes
Then I couldnt take it anymore it was driving me nuts.

I took it off and turned to them and said.

"Screw it. I'd rather pay the ticket"

Im not going ot argue the satey of the Seatbelt.
Statistically Yea. Its probably safer to wear one.

But statistically its probably safer to stay in your house and never go outside either

I'd known people that had accidents where the belt probably saved their lives.
I've also known one where the seatbelt trapped her in place and she ended up being crushed to death when she might have otherwise been thrown free of the seat.

Sometimes no matter what you do it just doesnt matter.
No matter which way you go. You roll the dice and take what you get.

[vorticon]

dont wear one if i'm moving from jobsite to jobsite, everywhere else i will.

i jaywalk and turn left on normal green light (where the have the left turn signal as well) though. i dont trust an inanimate object to tell me when its safe, but if it is safer - why not?

[Bosco123]

I just do not feel like going through the window and geeting ran over by my own car, thats why I wear it.

No thnaks

[Mark Luper]

Originally posted by lazs2


Would you if you didn't have to?  would you every single time?


lazs

I have worn seat belts since the 50's. My dad was a pilot and strongly beleived in them. He had them installed in every car we owned that didn't come with them.

I don't feel comfortable without my seatbelts on and I don't feel comfortable without a helmet when I ride. I don't like sliding around on the seat and having to try to hold myself in place, I find it far more convienient to let the belt, or belts, do that for me.  One reason I always wear a helmet while riding is the road grit, stones and dirt that get thrown up at you, the bugs that make it around the windshield and all sorts of other unpleasantries that crop up flying through the air.

To answer the question directly, Yes, I do and wish to wear either helmet or seat belts as necessary for the form of transportation I am in or on and I do use them every single time.

I also beleive it should be an individual choice once you become an adult over 18.

Word,

Mark

[FiLtH]

I think its how you view life laz. Some of us want see how fast we can go, others want to see how far we can go. The"How far you can goes" create the laws because the how fars pay taxes longer.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by storch
I believe the fines here are $300.00 per infraction.  while I have been cited on many many occasions I have yet to pay a fine.  instead I pay a lawyer who somehow beats them in court every single time for $75.00 per citation.  is the same thing possible in a NZ?

Yes, it's often possible to contest in court but it's usualy not practable to do it.

More serious charges like dangerous driving and drink driving automatically get you a day in court but minor infractions are generally payable by instant fines. It's possible to contest instant fines in court but it's not a common practice because the costs of doing so could easily amount to more than the cost of the original fine even if you represent yourself.. even more so if you use a lawyer.. and even more so if you loose (because you get to pay court costs) which is more than likely if it comes down to your word versus a traffic cops. Most people just pay the fines.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by lazs2
again... it is not about if it is good for you or bad for you... I simply asked...

Would you if you didn't have to?

No you didn't you opened the floor with "Sooo... what do you do and why?"

It's they "why" that will bite you in the butt every time.  

[Borsuk]

Yes I always wear one  if I am in any vehicle fitted with them.  Started wearing it as a teenager driving my Dad's Ford long before they became compulsory in the UK. It was the only thing that stopped me sliding across the vinyl seats into the passengers lap when cornering, became habit after that.

[Engine]

As far as I can see, Lazs' objection to wearing a seatbelt is similar to an infantryman in Nam not wanting to carry a gun because it's heavy and the Sergeant is trying to force his will on him.

[storch]

Originally posted by Engine
As far as I can see, Lazs' objection to wearing a seatbelt is similar to an infantryman in Nam not wanting to carry a gun because it's heavy and the Sergeant is trying to force his will on him.

wow now there's a stretch and some awesome bait to boot.  engine, you are simply brilliant you have invented written stretch bait.

[lazs2]

engine... I don't really know what to say..  except maybe.. that is maybe in the top ten of the dumbest things I have heard in all my time on this board.   and... that I am glad you are not on my side.

lazs

[lazs2]

thrawn.. you are right.. I did ask why... my mistake.  I admit i was wrong.

And... I do want to know why you would or wouldn't wear em every single time.

I think it odd that most time we have to but... sometimes not...  when we don't have to..we don't.. taxis..  limmo's  bus etc.    

Dred...  I think my lincoln would probly come out better in a wreck than my 69 el camino... even tho... some lady in a mini van ran into the back of the el camino and bent the bumper but near totaled her car.   She wasn't hurt tho... not even close... we were all hurt tho by having to replace all the crushed plastic and crap... probly $2000 for a less than 10mph wreck caused simply by her not being able to drive and talk at the same time.

They are uncomfortable and take away from the experiance of a roadtrip.   A lincoln limmo you don't have to wear em in...  I don't ride in little crapboxes and I don't let people drive me around...  my hot rods are so old that one of em needs only lap belts and the other is exempt.   doesn't need belts at all.

Think I will have the windows tinted darker in the lincoln... right now I just run the seatbelt back around the headrest... to all but the most observant... it looks like I am wearing the thing.    

truth is.. a lincoln driven normally is about invisible to cops anyway.

I make little kids wear their seatbelts.. I let adults decide for themselves.

lazs

[Ghosth]

Wear my seatbelt by choice, no, never. I look on manditory seatbelt use as yet one more personal right that has been eroded away by goverment.

I'm 54, been in one real accident in my life, and no one was hurt. To wear or not to wear should be my choice.

Now, if my insurance company finds out I'm not wearing it they should have the right to charge me more. But keep the state out of it please.