Katrina 2nd Anniversary

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by lazs2
LOL.. the federal government allowed people to build there?   It was federal land?

Sooo... no matter how dangerous a place... if the government builds any protection...such as levees... it is the fault of the government if a hurricane... no matter what strength... knocks it down?

  I say that if you live there and don't have insurance then it is entirely your fault.

*Why were the levees built?  

*I mentioned it being partial fault of the government and not only the federal branch.  Can't build anything within the city limits without a permit, and where might I ask does one get a permit??????  They code there was like 15 inches off the ground.  

*The federal government should have secured the levees years ago.  They did not, and continued giving subsidies to insurance companies who were by that time, refusing to renew policies there.  Hmmm,  kinda makes you wonder.....

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by RATTFINK
levees

The levees for YEARS (40+ yrs.) have been known to giveaway if there was any threat of a Hurricane of substantial power like Katrina.  It was also known that the city would be under water if a hurricane was to hit & yet the Mayor did nothing & to top that the people of LA. Re-elect him. [shrug]

I’m not saying the government shouldn’t have fixed the levees along time ago as they should have, before Bush (people have blamed Bush for the levee break).

It's not a matter of who was in office, records show the levees were shown to be a threat for a long time and the studies proved that this would happen.  There was a need and requests were made for years.

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Yknurd
It's not the job of the government to protect the stupid people from themselves.

That's exactly government job. Smart people can take care of themselves.

Originally posted by Yknurd
In fact, I want a government, nay, a nation, where the stupid people are allowed to freely hurt and kill themselves without ANY governmental interference.

You don't wanna let stupid do what they want. What if you decide to kill yourself with few tons of fertilizer (ala Timothy McVeigh) and kill lots of smarts in the process?

In fact, only stupid people want society let stupid do what they want. I'm sure you're smarter than that, but then again, maybe you're not...



Back to Katrina.
Fact: majority of the people in area struck by Katrina are hard working Americans.
Fact: levees failed below design specifications.
Fact: local and federal government disaster response was lacking
Fact: NO has always been a city of major importance and it remains so to this day, therefore people will work and live there as they did in the past.
Fact: Local and federal bureaucracy is a major hurdle in rebuilding effort.
Fact: Small portion of affected are abusing the system.

Another fact: generalizing, badmouthing the people struck by disaster, talking out of arse with no facts, holier than thou attitude and lots of other BS, is favorite of O'Club ethic infants, mental midgets and bigots.
They all come out of woodwork at the time when they should better STFU for once.

[RATTFINK]

Originally posted by SkyRock
It's not a matter of who was in office, records show the levees were shown to be a threat for a long time and the studies proved that this would happen.  There was a need and requests were made for years.

My point exactly.  

I was just stating that some people blame the levee breaks on the present commander and chief.

[RedTop]

If your willing to become Cereal and live in a bowl , dont be suprised when mother nature pours on the milk.

To borrow Mayor Naggins way of thinking.....

"We will be Cocoa Puffs again"

[RATTFINK]

Originally posted by RedTop
If your willing to become Cereal and live in a bowl , dont be suprised when mother nature pours on the milk.

To borrow Mayor Naggins way of thinking.....

"We will be Cocoa Puffs again"

LMFAO

[Yknurd]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
That's exactly government job. Smart people can take care of themselves.

 No, it's not.  Cigarettes should be illegal along with alcohol in your Utopian Nanny State.  And only smart people would not drink and smoke extending your logic to it's inevitable conclusion.

Again, the government should not be protecting people from themselves.  I think that the government should even assist suicides.  Assist to make sure it's done right, indefinite medical care is expensive.

Originally posted by 2bighorn
You don't wanna let stupid do what they want. What if you decide to kill yourself with few tons of fertilizer (ala Timothy McVeigh) and kill lots of smarts in the process?

I didn't say it shouldn't protect people from other people.  If Timothy McVeigh had wanted two tons of fertilizer to go kill himself in the middle of the desert then I would have given him directions and two thumbs up!

Originally posted by 2bighorn
In fact, only stupid people want society let stupid do what they want. I'm sure you're smarter than that, but then again, maybe you're not...
 

Perhaps you are one of the types that I'm advocating for governmental emancipation.

[RATTFINK]

Originally posted by Yknurd
No, it's not.  Cigarettes should be illegal along with alcohol in your Utopian Nanny State.  And only smart people would not drink and smoke extending your logic to it's inevitable conclusion.

Again, the government should not be protecting people from themselves.  I think that the government should even assist suicides.  Assist to make sure it's done right, indefinite medical care is expensive.

I didn't say it shouldn't protect people from other people.  If Timothy McVeigh had wanted two tons of fertilizer to go kill himself in the middle of the desert then I would have given him directions and two thumbs up!

 Perhaps you are one of the types that I'm advocating for governmental emancipation.

2bighorn  has been pwnd

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
Fact: levees failed ABOVE design specifications.

Fixed.    

Again, they were rated to Cat 3.    Cat 5 storm surge hit, be thankful they ALL didn't break.

Also, it is a waste to rebuild the City to "what it once was".     Then again, maybe there were "explosions" before the Storm Surge hit?  

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Yknurd
No, it's not.  Cigarettes should be illegal along with alcohol in your Utopian Nanny State.  And only smart people would not drink and smoke extending your logic to it's inevitable conclusion.

Again, the government should not be protecting people from themselves.  I think that the government should even assist suicides.  Assist to make sure it's done right, indefinite medical care is expensive.

I didn't say it shouldn't protect people from other people.  If Timothy McVeigh had wanted two tons of fertilizer to go kill himself in the middle of the desert then I would have given him directions and two thumbs up!

 Perhaps you are one of the types that I'm advocating for governmental emancipation.

Excellent post.    Quite possibly the best yet in the O' Club, in 2007.

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Yknurd
No, it's not.  Cigarettes should be illegal along with alcohol in your Utopian Nanny State.  And only smart people would not drink and smoke extending your logic to it's inevitable conclusion.

We are a bit off topic here, but lets try again.

You're generalizing again. We are talking about stupid. Smart people understand the consequences of bad habits like smoking and drinking. Even if they smoke or drink, they'll be ready to deal with when bad happens, either with extra medical coverage, savings, or abstinence in case they can't afford it.

Originally posted by Yknurd
Again, the government should not be protecting people from themselves.  I think that the government should even assist suicides.  Assist to make sure it's done right, indefinite medical care is expensive.

Obviously you don't understand the role of the government in modern societies. It's not about what we want, but what it is and what is possible with number of people living together.
No matter how hard you wish for, for the biggest part 'individualism' is the enemy of every structured society. As the numbers rise, the more individual actions affect the rest, therefore we get more rules which limits our individual freedoms. Nothing but disaster of epic proportions can reverse that process.

Originally posted by Yknurd
I didn't say it shouldn't protect people from other people.  If Timothy McVeigh had wanted two tons of fertilizer to go kill himself in the middle of the desert then I would have given him directions and two thumbs up!

Remember, we are talking about stupid. Going into desert to blow yourself up would be smart move.

Originally posted by Yknurd
Perhaps you are one of the types that I'm advocating for governmental emancipation.

Since trying to be smart on internet forum is one of the last 'freedoms' left to you, I'll let it be...

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Again, they were rated to Cat 3.    Cat 5 storm surge hit, be thankful they ALL didn't break.

That was initial excuse by US Army Corps. Following investigations by NSF (hired by US Army Corps) have proved that levee design was at fault, and thus failure was inevitable. Unsatisfactory maintenance contributed to breach as well.
Senate Subcommittee on Energy and Water came to the same conclusions.
Furthermore, way back in 1986 study by US Army Corps pointed to possible future failure due to design faults.

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
That was initial excuse by US Army Corps. Following investigations by NSF (hired by US Army Corps) have proved that levee design was at fault, and thus failure was inevitable. Unsatisfactory maintenance contributed to breach as well.
Senate Subcommittee on Energy and Water came to the same conclusions.
Furthermore, way back in 1986 study by US Army Corps pointed to possible future failure due to design faults.

This was what I have read and understood to be true.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by 2bighorn
That was initial excuse by US Army Corps. Following investigations by NSF (hired by US Army Corps) have proved that levee design was at fault, and thus failure was inevitable. Unsatisfactory maintenance contributed to breach as well.
Senate Subcommittee on Energy and Water came to the same conclusions.
Furthermore, way back in 1986 study by US Army Corps pointed to possible future failure due to design faults.

Understand this, NO CITY is safe from a Levee System that can stop the Cat 5 Storm Surge.    

The US Army Corps said that "they were designed with a maximum rating of Cat 3 on the Saffir-Simpson Scale.    There were some weak points, but none catastrophic."    

Again, the damage, COULD OF been A LOT worse than it was.    But yeah, those levee's sucked.   Be thankful.    Wait, it's not good enough.

[MrBill]

Ok let me see if I have this all correct.

We chose to live below sea level.
We have faulty levies and have known about it for 20 years.
We have elected officials that will not address the problem for twenty years.
We have many days notice that "the big one" is coming.
We have no feet so we can't leave.
We are either underinsured, of trust that little gecko thingie to protect us because he has a cool tv ad.
We believe that if all else fails the Government will bail us out.

If the above is correct I see seven reasons for stupid.