Augering Attackers and Bailing Bombers (tm)

[toonces3]

Hey all.

Two experiences last night.  Not the first (or last) but I have to admit that both got me wondering about why some folks do what they do.

First one- I was flying in the vicinity of a bish base.  Got into a fight with someone in my 190A5.  Went a few turns and either killed him or he egressed.  Anyway, in the meantime I hear a couple calls, "Typhie coming in."  So as I turned from the fight or chase I check my 3 o'clock and there's the Typhoon a couple thousand below and headed towards our base.  I roll inverted, pull into him and now I'm diving on him with plenty of speed.  He goes into a dive for the base and, yep you know what's coming, he goes for the radar.  I'm closing but slowly, 1000...800...600...BOOM radar goes up then about 5 seconds later BOOM Typhoon augers himself.  He had actually straightened out before he augered, which leads me to believe it wasn't just crappy flying, but intentional.

Second one- a bomber was lingering over some bish fields forever.  Eventually I got down, saw the dude was still behind our lines and surrounded by radar, so I upped a G-14 to track him down.  Long story short, tracked this guy down after chasing him for about 75 miles/10 minutes.  I was at 20k, he was at least 5-10k higher and I didn't even have icon on him when a guy in front of me says, "I don't believe it"  Apparently as soon as the guy in front got close to icon on him, after chasing him like I did for about 3 sectors, the dude just bailed.  What's worse is he was in B-17's, over his own friendly line now, and at least 5-10k above us.  Like the other guy said, "Don't know why he bailed, he might have actually gotten us."

So I throw this question out to you noodleheads that enjoy augering into things, or bailing your bombers after your run.  Why do you do that?  I mean, it really doesn't hurt me any- I get proxy kills on you and if you think not having a radar is going to keep me from killing you, well, you're wrong.  

Let's assume you're one of those, "I don't care about my score" folks.  Ok, fine.  So why do you fly if you're not tracking some sort of statistic?  Let's say you "just want to have a good fight".  Ok, then why do you kill yourself instead of fight?

Hey, do whatever you want, I don't care really, but I AM curious why you do this.  Might I make a suggestion?  Instead of taking the easy way out and just augering yourself, I'd suggest trying to make a survivable attack run.  Take the time to circle around the field and attack with your egress taking you towards friendlies.  Learn how to bomb/shoot rockets accurately.  Either get a wingman, or get yourself so fast that nobody can catch you.  I have to think this would be more fun than just killing yourself.

Thanks for your time.
Toonces

[Tiger]

I agree.  When I bomb a place, I actually look forward to the fighters chasing me.  I feel disappointed if I don't return with holes in my plane or a drone missing because no fighters came up to fight me.

[Latrobe]

Some people are like that. They go in and kill radar so you can't see where their 10K bombing run is coming in from. I've been in a few fights were i go through 4 turns with the enemy and he just bails. He either thinks hes going to die and why not just end sortie now? When i know I'm going to die, I make them work for it. Who knows maybe they'll mess up and I'll actually end up killing them.

Anyways, as for the B-17's I think he thought he could tick you off by bailing after you flew for 10min just to get within 10K of him. That's just what I think.

[Gulp]

Were fighting a war where planes and lives are unlimited and free.  Some guy is 20 minutes from his home base in his bombers and only has 30 minutes 'till he leaves for work...enter, enter, enter.  Another guy loves taking fields, and killing radar is just a first step that needs to be done quickly before he ups bombers for hangars...enter, enter, enter.

It's dweeby, but everyone has their own perspective of fun. I don't bail to avoid a fight or do disposable radar/pork runs, but I do bail if I am facing a long uneventful ride home and I'd rather see some action.  If we're base taking and no one has troops, I'll bail an grab a goon/M3 as well.

[Squire]

Buff formations should have a seperate perk system of some kind, where if you lose too many drones, you run low on "drone credit".

This would stop some of the kamikaze buff runs. Throwing away whole formations should come at a cost. Some n00b with 7 days of playing time diving 3 Lancs into a CV should quickly find he cant select formations untill he gets some bomber pts under his belt.

[Laurie]

a simple soloution to dive bombing buff formations would to imply a sort of gyroscope into the bombers so that after a ceratian angle of decent bombs could not be released as 1) it is extremley unrealistic, 2) the bombs would hit the sides of the bomb bay and possibly detonate:confused:

[Sweet2th]

So a person cannot do this toonces?You didn't get any perks for the proxy is that what bothers you about it?

I know this is a stretch here an all but: There are some people who are trying to actually take the base over, and some of the players are NEW to Aces High and have no clue about ACM or don't want to.

This is all make believe Toonces, the score , the plane, your virtually flying, this Bulletin Board, it's all make believe and doesn't count for anything.Let someone play this GAME as they see fit.

You say that it makes no sense that somone would fly to a base and drop the radar then auger, i say it makes no sense that you flew 3 sectors to try to get a kill when there was someone already trying to get the kill, but then again kills are everything, score is everything too.Wtg's from the peanut gallery for 2 kills in a Spit16 is what some people are all about in this GAME so don't knock someone for doing something they enjoy.

[Tiger]

Originally posted by Squire
Buff formations should have a seperate perk system of some kind, where if you lose too many drones, you run low on "drone credit".

This would stop some of the kamikaze buff runs. Throwing away whole formations should come at a cost. Some n00b with 7 days of playing time diving 3 Lancs into a CV should quickly find he cant select formations untill he gets some bomber pts under his belt.

Sounds good to me.  Start with 100 drone perks, lose a drone, lose a perk.  Gain perks by sucessfully bombing strat targets (not fields or cvs).   But that would also involve making strats useful.

[Tabasco]

Originally posted by Sweet2th
So a person cannot do this toonces?You didn't get any perks for the proxy is that what bothers you about it?

I know this is a stretch here an all but: There are some people who are trying to actually take the base over, and some of the players are NEW to Aces High and have no clue about ACM or don't want to.

This is all make believe Toonces, the score , the plane, your virtually flying, this Bulletin Board, it's all make believe and doesn't count for anything.Let someone play this GAME as they see fit.

You say that it makes no sense that somone would fly to a base and drop the radar then auger, i say it makes no sense that you flew 3 sectors to try to get a kill when there was someone already trying to get the kill, but then again kills are everything, score is everything too.Wtg's from the peanut gallery for 2 kills in a Spit16 is what some people are all about in this GAME so don't knock someone for doing something they enjoy.

Pot, meet kettle.

Isn't Toonces allowed to play it as he sees fit?

[Tiger]

And here come the personal jabs...

The guy was expressing an opinion and never mentioned anyone by name.  If you disagree with his opinion, please feel free to express that, but try to hold back on the personal attacks.

A little more civil a little less personal.

[Simaril]

Not "pot meet kettle" -- more like "pot meet stirring spoon."


Remember this is Sweet2th/"TedStryker"/"shade o' the week". Some people are mad at the AH world and stay around only to spread their bitterness. Stuff like this --after posting in H2H that he was leaving AH -- makes me wonder if Sweet2th might be one of those people.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Sweet2th
Let someone play this GAME as they see fit.

Yes, give it a try.  But not from the safety of hiding behind the keyboard.  Go out side.  Find a bunch of guys playing football or bball, walk in, take the ball, and tell them you will be playing the game the way YOU see fit.  Please come back and let us know how it worked out.

[evenhaim]

meet sweet2h the biggest biggot and troll in aces high

[shamroc]

Originally posted by toonces3
Hey all.

Let's assume you're one of those, "I don't care about my score" folks.  Ok, fine.  So why do you fly if you're not tracking some sort of statistic?  Let's say you "just want to have a good fight".  Ok, then why do you kill yourself instead of fight?

Reason why people auger after porking/prepping are:

- destroyed targets come back up very quickly
- you need a large amount of people to take most fields in one shot.

In the last year, structures (particularly hangers) have been toughed up.  Also, most field/city ack has been exponentially beefed up.  End result is the only way to take a base when you're short on men, is to bomb & bail - and make it a 2-3 wave operation.

If things took 1 hour to respawn AND targets were softer, there would be little need to bomb & bail.

Not saying changing the arena would ever wipe out the practice - we've always had LA7 radar Kamikazes - just saying we see more of this now given the current arena settings.

Shamroc

[Bear76]

Originally posted by Sweet2th
So a person cannot do this toonces?You didn't get any perks for the proxy is that what bothers you about it?

I know this is a stretch here an all but: There are some people who are trying to actually take the base over, and some of the players are NEW to Aces High and have no clue about ACM or don't want to.

This is all make believe Toonces, the score , the plane, your virtually flying, this Bulletin Board, it's all make believe and doesn't count for anything.Let someone play this GAME as they see fit.

You say that it makes no sense that somone would fly to a base and drop the radar then auger, i say it makes no sense that you flew 3 sectors to try to get a kill when there was someone already trying to get the kill, but then again kills are everything, score is everything too.Wtg's from the peanut gallery for 2 kills in a Spit16 is what some people are all about in this GAME so don't knock someone for doing something they enjoy.

Well we obviously know who one "bomb and bail" tard is