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« Reply #90 on: August 31, 2007, 04:44:58 PM »
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Muahahaha :)


Sorry Karaya I cannot let this pass :D
I didn't create the word, Geologists did.   I remember discussing this Earthquake in GREAT DETAIL in my Historical Geology and Stratification classes in College.
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« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2007, 04:46:16 PM »
You need to open a french/english dictionnary to understand your typo :D *

Liquefaction is not Liquefecation :)


* look up fécation/défécation
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« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2007, 04:53:15 PM »
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You need to open a french/english dictionnary to understand your typo :D *

Liquefaction is not Liquefecation :)


* look up fécation/défécation
Fixed, damn French!   :rofl    <> straffo
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« Reply #93 on: August 31, 2007, 05:50:13 PM »
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I'm sure GreyHound runs through there and pretty sure there are hundreds of Taxis around.  There's always a bicycle or good old trusty pit-and-pat.  When it comes to walking or risking my life with a Cat-5 hurricane bearing down on my below sea level town.  I'm hitting the road walking.


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« Reply #94 on: August 31, 2007, 06:43:48 PM »
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Some have had no problem rebuiling,,perhaps they have a better work ethic, then the, "what has the govt. done for me lately lay about groups"

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0609,shaftel,72328,2.html

Vietnamese-owned businesses have reopened.........

New Orleans neighborhoods after Katrina and the federal government's reluctance to commit funds to the reconstruction of the whole of New Orleans, the Vietnamese community has gone ahead with not only returning, but presenting a plan for an enhanced neighborhood. "From day one [the city council] has been fighting for every neighborhood to return. They may have jump-started that process," Willard-Lewis said.

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« Reply #95 on: August 31, 2007, 06:50:34 PM »
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You sir are an Idiot.
Why?   His post made perfect sense.   What he said was "Every resource to leave NO was NOT exhausted."   Therefore, why blame everyone else?
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« Reply #96 on: September 01, 2007, 10:20:05 AM »
I agree that we should keep the port open but so far... not one of you hand wringers has convinced me that the "people" of NO deserve anything other than what they got.

We will have more hurricanes ..  more earthquakes and storms and floods of all types.  

Get insurance or get out.   I am not your keeper.

Toad... thanks for explaining the difference between the constitution and the right to have other people bail you out of every stupid decision you make.

And that is the crux of it... when the left can't win a global warming arguement.. they just call the other side names...

The left can't win this one either (except in the leftie media) so they resort to....calling those who won't pay names.

I don't owe NO a cent.

If I ever had any sympathy for them it has been exahausted with their constant whining and criminal behavior and their re election of the city staff that are probly the worst in any civilized country.

Their cereal bowl needs to be flooded again so that the coco puffs can float away.

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« Reply #97 on: September 01, 2007, 10:23:14 AM »
Cocoa puffs?  Is that a race thing?  C'mon, you can do better than that.
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« Reply #98 on: September 01, 2007, 10:26:57 AM »
It is a race thing but not mine.  It is what the mayor of NO called his "people".

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« Reply #99 on: September 01, 2007, 10:37:46 AM »
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so... if a hurricane destroyed the levees in holland it would be the governments fault?

I hear what you are saying traveler.   I am just one who says that the people and government of that state have failed themselves and that the city should be there only at individual risk.

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I agree that each person holds the final responsibility for their own well being, however, you asked about the country of Holland, so far Europe has been protected by mother nature from hurricanes,  that might change.  

Homes built in a flood plain in Holland, along rivers and cannels must float by law.  Would the Government leaders of Holland be responsible for encouraging it’s people to live in a flood zone?  I believe that the answer to your question is, yes.  I think Government leaders would take responsibility.  

But the Government of Holland is built more around  a Democratic Socialistic society  rather then a Democratic Capitalistic one, I think I remember reading that their true tax rate on income is like 73% for total taxes paid. As opposed to our 56%.  A true tax rate considers any and all taxes paid not just income tax.

That’s why I feel it would be best to allow the flood zone to flood and  relocate the city and port of New Orleans, to areas that will not flood .  Yes, it’s major undertaking, but I think it’s a better investment long term.  The cost is not that much different then what will be expended on the levy system over the next decade.  

Another option rather then moving or relocating New Orleans is to raise the land adjacent  to the river by 20  feet for a 2,500 feet on each side of the river with a state of the art drainage and pumping system embedded as part of that 2,500 foot buffer zone.  Take land fill from the devastated  shore line.  There is nothing left there on the shore line.  The homes are all gone, the people are gone,  all the roads have been undercut with wash out  and are crumbling under pressure of the weight of the roadbed itself.  It’s currently a waste land.  

But our Federal Government is not thinking outside of the box, they would rather attack the problem and rebuild the existing levy system which is based on 18th century technology.  So when they declare the area safe and encourage people to live there.  Yes, I’d say that they will bare the responsibility after the next Katrina.
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« Reply #100 on: September 01, 2007, 10:43:54 AM »
traveler... I agree that the best thing would be to relocate.   I disagree that the government should be responsible if their levees fail.

If that is the case then why would anyone need flood insurance at all?   if it is the governments fault?   I say if they do rebuild the levees that they certify em for a cat 2 hurricane.   anything above that is you and your insurance companies risk.

That is what should be happening now of course.  Insurance companies can insure based on the likelyhood of a hurricane over cat 2.

If insurance is too expensive then the people have the choice of leaving or taking the chance.

I don't think I should subsidize their lifestyle or fund their poor choices.

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« Reply #101 on: September 01, 2007, 11:32:48 AM »
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traveler... I agree that the best thing would be to relocate.   I disagree that the government should be responsible if their levees fail.

If that is the case then why would anyone need flood insurance at all?   if it is the governments fault?   I say if they do rebuild the levees that they certify em for a cat 2 hurricane.   anything above that is you and your insurance companies risk.

That is what should be happening now of course.  Insurance companies can insure based on the likelyhood of a hurricane over cat 2.

If insurance is too expensive then the people have the choice of leaving or taking the chance.

I don't think I should subsidize their lifestyle or fund their poor choices.

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The fact is, No insurance company sells flood insurance in a flood zone.  If you have a mortgage (as most home owners do at some point in their lives) the lender will insists that you get flood insurance.  

Catch 22, no insurance company in the world will sell insurance to home owners in a flood zone.  So about 50 years ago. The brain trust at the Federal Government came up with a plan.  

They would get in bed with the insurance companies.  The Federal Government would sell Federal Flood Insurance, that covered home owners in flood zones.  The Federal Flood insurance program is backed by the Federal Government (that's you and me).  

The way it works is this, if you own a home in a flood zone with a mortgage the mortgage holder will require that you have the home insured for fire and flood.  You get the fire insurance from your local insurance company, you get your flood insurance from the Federal Government.  

The Government gives the premium to the local Insurance Company as payment for the service of maintaining the flood insurance policy.  You as the home owner don’t know who the insurance company is until there is a flood.   At that point the insurance  company settles the claim( for as little as they can).  The Insurance Company pays the home owner for any damage.  

The Insurance company then settles with the Federal Government.  Where the home owner may have recovered 60 or 70 % from the Insurance Company.  The Federal Government settles with the Insurance company for 100%.
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« Reply #102 on: September 02, 2007, 09:36:03 AM »
Yes.. I am aware of how flood insurance works here.   We have floods all the time and the insurance companies (along with the feds) pay up.. the good companies pay better than the bad ones and..

Say what you want about kalifornia but... it does have some pretty decent insurance regulations to protect the people here...

Which is how it should be... governments sole role besides war should be to make sure that people do what they said they would do and are punished when they harm others.

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« Reply #103 on: September 02, 2007, 10:19:17 AM »
In a post, Chairboy mentioned again the old urban myth of all white Gretna Police officers shooting over black pedestrians heads and sicking attack dogs on them as they tried to escape to safety over the New Orleans Crescent City Connection after Katrina. Obviously, most police forces don't maintain a unit of "attack dogs" and I know for a fact Gretna is much to small to have such an elite unit, but in order to bring this myth down to reality, I offer a newspaper article of what happened that day. Its probably the most objective account of the incident I've seen and far different than the racist drama the late Ed Bradley presented on 60 minutes.

I also want to state, like the person in the article, I too was stopped from entering Algiers by a gun. In my case it was a national gaurdsman who pointed the gun and stopped me. Algiers was officially CLOSED. There were road blocks at all the entry points. I was stopped also on Sept 1. I could not enter Algiers until Labor day, Sept 6. Until that date, my entry was blocked by guardsman and police with guns. It was considered part of the disaster area and police have the right to prevent people from entering a disaster area. I have to admit, I never once saw "attack dogs."

Here's the article:

http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/09/bridge_blockade_after_katrina.html