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Offline Vudak

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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2007, 05:22:52 PM »
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Two questions.

1) How well do you think an "armed citizenry" would fare against an invader? It might have worked in 1776, but in 2007, most invaders come armed with tanks and aircraft.



You have to remember, much of that armed citizenry is ex-military for one thing, and for two, much of the total citizenry is highly educated.  That's two things we have going for us.

We also have (and this might seem a little arrogant, but look at our history), a population almost completely blessed with the "plucky gene."  Now it might not always show, but just about every single one of us here, no matter what race or creed, is descended from someone who went through a lot of hell to make it over here, and make it once they got here.

That only tends to come out when times are tough, but when times are tough you can see that.  If you'd been here after 9/11, you'd have noticed.  If we are ever invaded, you will notice.

Finally, our geography and infrastructure is perhaps the best suited for defense on the planet.  Assuming all our air support was destroyed, that might take away our advantage in the latter, but it wouldn't take away the former.  Moutains, hills, and wooded areas are still very much all over the place.  It's a partisan's dream.

Invading America would be an absolute nightmare, and a large part of the reason is that in EVERY town you visited, you'd have to expect to be shot at.  You can't say the same about England.

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2) How well do you think an "armed citizenry" would fare against a government trying to disarm them? If the government really really wanted they could and would go Waco on all your tulips and take your guns.


They would fare infinitely better than an unarmed citizenry.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2007, 08:45:37 PM »
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Two questions.

1) How well do you think an "armed citizenry" would fare against an invader? It might have worked in 1776, but in 2007, most invaders come armed with tanks and aircraft.

2) How well do you think an "armed citizenry" would fare against a government trying to disarm them? If the government really really wanted they could and would go Waco on all your tulips and take your guns.
there is ample evidence of guerillas overthrowing gov'ts.  here in my beloved florida the seminoles and the miccosuki tribes held the federal government at bay, never losing a battle while armed with stone age weapons.

draw a parallel to today.

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2007, 09:01:11 PM »
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If the US wanted to, they could easily put an end to all violence in Iraq by enforcing what we could call "soviet methods" of crowd control and anti-insurgency tactics. In an invasion of the USA-scenario, I dont think the US citizenry should count on an invader being that civilized.


Oh was Afghanistan that long ago??

The vaunted Soviet military crowd control, anti insurgency tactics, and superior weaponry sure made short work of those Afghan freedom fighters. :D:D:D

In an Invasion of the U.S. I don't think the invader will find that the majority is a bunch of whining liberals that will die, unarmed, while on their knees. I think it more likely that they will find a nation that is mostly uncivilized and murderous and armed to the teeth ...
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2007, 09:03:16 PM »
WOLVERINES!!!!!



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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2007, 09:21:48 PM »
Unfortunately, liberals took over europe after WW2.  This has a lot to do with the conservative europeans immigrating to the US.  The reason you couldn't convince the polish man is that he has liberalism ingrained in his genes.

He just can't understand that a government may do something bad.  Especially when he's been raised by the government to think of it well.
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2007, 09:24:20 PM »
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let me get this straight, people on here say the US military can't defeat the terrorists in Iraq, but a foreign invader could defeat a "armed citizenry' in America?


I'd say if the Iraqis were using the sort of weapons Americans now hold, the US army would defeat them pretty easily.

US soldiers aren't being killed by hunting rifles and handguns, not even by AK 47s in any great numbers. It's bombs and RPGs that are causing the most problems for the US army.

For example, in August 41 US soldiers were killed by IEDs and RPGs, 2 by mortar fire, 9 by small arms/sniper fire. (out of 81 total, including many killed in 2 helicopter crashes, and some cases where the exact circumstances haven't been released yet)

If the US citizens were to fight against either their own government or an invading army, like in all other modern cases they'd do so with proper military weapons supplied from abroad and explosives, not with rifles and handguns they currently own.

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2007, 09:27:22 PM »
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Two questions.

1) How well do you think an "armed citizenry" would fare against an invader? It might have worked in 1776, but in 2007, most invaders come armed with tanks and aircraft.

2) How well do you think an "armed citizenry" would fare against a government trying to disarm them? If the government really really wanted they could and would go Waco on all your tulips and take your guns.

Worked pretty good when Vietnam tried it out bud!

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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2007, 09:28:53 PM »
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What are you gay?

 get yer mind out of the gutter

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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2007, 09:30:49 PM »
i thought squeaker season was over.

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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2007, 09:39:08 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2007, 10:17:51 PM »
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lol.

you forgot these.


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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2007, 10:20:23 PM »
lol
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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2007, 10:25:27 PM »
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Unfortunately, liberals took over europe after WW2.  This has a lot to do with the conservative europeans immigrating to the US.  The reason you couldn't convince the polish man is that he has liberalism ingrained in his genes.

He just can't understand that a government may do something bad.  Especially when he's been raised by the government to think of it well.


huh?

Europe after war taken over by liberals? witch part?

JB88, LOL i thought you are like 14-15 yo

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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2007, 10:26:39 PM »
shshsh...the ladies like me young.

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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2007, 10:29:17 PM »
Vudak, interesting comment about England.....had to reread it a couple of times till I got it.....and your right, topographically we dont have the space/woodland/mountains etc...........but pretty sure anyone who invaded this place wouldnt enjoy it too much........we can be pretty feisty when our teabreaks are interrupted you know.....and you dont want to know what we're like if you spill our beer.....;)


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