Kill Stealers

[hubsonfire]

"hey birdo, finish him off next time! WOOOO WOOOOOO"

[SEraider]

Originally posted by Vad
It's not necessary to change anything, current model works fine. You should  practice  your gunnery
Your score shows that you  have zero assists in this tour. It means that you completely missed.

I have another account that I use besides this.  That is why my stats are nil but this event did happen.

Practice my gunnery?  Shooting a wing off seems pretty decent gunnery to me.  

What is not decent is that somebody follows my kill down 80 degrees to steal a kill.  That's my point.

[DoNKeY]

I think that when someone does damage to parts that are vital for continued flight, ie engine, wing, whole tail etc, they should be awarded the kill.  I've had both elevators shot off, and manged to rtb and land successfully.  Granted, I can  in and slid on the big bellybutton square of cement by some hangers, but I still manged to fly back.  Same with a wind tip.  People can still fly with them missing.  Point is, if your plane got to the point where you can't control it anymore, and I've had this happen with just a horizontal stabilizer missing, the person who did that damage should get the kill.

I believe this is fair.  

And just so I can get my whine/story in, I remember helping a country man out who had a 205 on his tail.  I bnz'ed a few times, (but quickly as I was trying to help him out) and finally got a deflection shot off that took off his whole right wing.  Mind you he was flying perfectly before this, following my country man around everywhere.  When he hits the ground, Assist on ........  

[Speed55]

Vox works..  call out that the ponies dead next time.

[Vad]

Originally posted by E25280
Not necessarily.  His killstats page shows 5 kills that are not yet reflected on his scores page (which shows zero kills along with his zero assists).

Jury is still out.

5 kills of LVTA4 in Niki, fighter mode. It's not reflected in score.

[Vad]

Originally posted by SEraider
I have another account that I use besides this.  

It tells a lot.

[trax1]

Originally posted by SEraider
I have another account that I use besides this.

Very interesting, very interesting indeed.

[bongaroo]

After taking the tail off a p38 some dweeb watching him go down laid into himself to steal the kill.  While in disbelief and telling him what an ahole thing to do that was he watches someone come pick me.  on my way down he said "i was going to ram him, i had to shoot."  that is the best excuse for a kill steal i've heard yet.

[ROC]

You know it happens, you know it's going to happen.
If you want the score, finish the kill.

[SEraider]

Originally posted by trax1
Very interesting, very interesting indeed.

Whether you believe me or not is up to you.  I fly with the Rooks in my other account (love flying rooks with this account).

Just focus on the main idea what I am trying to present and you will know it to be true that this does happen.

[SEraider]

Originally posted by ROC
You know it happens, you know it's going to happen.
If you want the score, finish the kill.

The way it is now, that is true.  

It cannot be that difficult to modify the program a bit to safeguard against this.  At least my perspective.

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by SpikesX
So a guy looses his elevator to an auto ack...and another guy rips off his wings...auto ack gets the kill?

So the AA guns shot someone down but as he is tumbling toward earth Average Joe says, hey easy kill and goes after the plane that is tumbling toward earth.
If the person shoots it down first then the suggested system means Average Joe gets the kill.

[Murdr]

Here was the official reply on this subject.

Originally posted by hitech on 2/7/05
You can not award the kill at the time of damage. The outcome of the flight has still not been determined. The odds are he will crash and die,but that is not always the case.

But I have lost wings at times near ground and ended up with a ditch by luck.

What would be possible is that no more lethality points are tracked once certian componets fail. The plane could still be shot and more damage done, but no kill award tracking would be done, you still must stay living until the hit plane exits flight.

Been thinking about implementing this for a while, it just hasn't moved to the top of the list yet.


HiTech

Note, nothing has been changed since then.

[SEraider]

Originally posted by Murdr
Here was the official reply on this subject.

Note, nothing has been changed since then.

Maybe I should put a phone call into Skuzzy  now that this is a fresh subject.

[humble]

The bigger question is does it really matter?

The fight itself is what counts, both combatants know (or should know) the relative merits and have taken a reasonable measure of the others ability. If you fought someone you consider to be a "worthy" opponent and achieved a victory....that in itself should be enough. When I'm flying well I dont care. I had a 6 kill hop in a B pony yesterday where I didnt finish a single enemy. I simply flew smart and tagged 10 or so...in the end I got 6 kills and 3 or 4 assists...cleared a few good guys and got cleared myself.

The true measure of your flying is in your mind....and your adversaries. Earn your opponents respect and let the less talented chase your cripples...you'll come out ahead in the end in more ways then one.