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Offline Delirium

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« Reply #120 on: September 06, 2007, 01:43:23 PM »
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When I "grew up" in the game the major squads were the backbone of "proper game play". They set the standard and challenged everyone to live up to it.


Personally, I blame the vets for the change... why teach noobs when you can 'pwn' them instead? Why do noobs want to go through the constant belittling trying to get training when they can just fly in a pack and do something easy like base capture?

Even some of the most vile people in AH used to still teach noobs, now that is strangely (and unfortunate for the noobs) absent. Granted, we have good official trainers but they are stretched and there is far too much work to be done.
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« Reply #121 on: September 06, 2007, 01:49:20 PM »
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Personally, I blame the vets for the change... why teach noobs when you can 'pwn' them instead? Why do noobs want to go through the constant belittling trying to get training when they can just fly in a pack and do something easy like base capture?

Even some of the most vile people in AH used to still teach noobs, now that is strangely (and unfortunate for the noobs) absent. Granted, we have good official trainers but they are stretched and there is far too much work to be done.


A sortie last night got me thinking about this.  I'm tempted to start a thread with a Kweassa-length post to discuss it, and then skip out to Virginia over the weekend to leave you all to yell about it :)
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« Reply #122 on: September 06, 2007, 02:04:19 PM »
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Even some of the most vile people in AH used to still teach noobs, now that is strangely (and unfortunate for the noobs) absent.

Do you have enough information to make this kind of statement?  Some newbs are arrogant little know it all's that do not want the help.  They do not care to learn about acm's because it does not mean anything to them(acm's are not an important part of scorehoring).  I tried to teach AXER one day, the next day I upped from a vulched field and chased him 1 sector before getting ganged by his newbmen!  4 months later, the same thing, chased him 1 1/2 sectors, except this time, my 4-hog caught him....he was an easy kill, and had no reversal for me at all!:aok

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« Reply #123 on: September 06, 2007, 02:21:03 PM »
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Do you have enough information to make this kind of statement?  Some newbs are arrogant little know it all's that do not want the help.  They do not care to learn about acm's because it does not mean anything to them(acm's are not an important part of scorehoring).  I tried to teach AXER one day, the next day I upped from a vulched field and chased him 1 sector before getting ganged by his newbmen!  4 months later, the same thing, chased him 1 1/2 sectors, except this time, my 4-hog caught him....he was an easy kill, and had no reversal for me at all!:aok


 :O ... umm ... how ... how can that be true !!! ... he is RANKED #1 ... I mean ... he has got to be REAL good to be RANKED #1 ... right ?

I mean ... when I see him in the same arena as me ... I stay far away cause I don't want to get pwned ... ya know what I mean ?

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« Reply #124 on: September 06, 2007, 02:25:12 PM »
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Personally, I blame the vets for the change... why teach noobs when you can 'pwn' them instead? Why do noobs want to go through the constant belittling trying to get training when they can just fly in a pack and do something easy like base capture?

Even some of the most vile people in AH used to still teach noobs, now that is strangely (and unfortunate for the noobs) absent. Granted, we have good official trainers but they are stretched and there is far too much work to be done.


I tried when the influx of sqeekers started ... and all I got was smart-assed answers back for my trouble.

It is far easier for them to fly in the crowd, pick, and run back to see their name in lights and get a WTFG !!! for 2 measly kills.
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« Reply #125 on: September 06, 2007, 02:35:56 PM »
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Originally posted by Delirium
Personally, I blame the vets for the change... why teach noobs when you can 'pwn' them instead? Why do noobs want to go through the constant belittling trying to get training when they can just fly in a pack and do something easy like base capture?

Even some of the most vile people in AH used to still teach noobs, now that is strangely (and unfortunate for the noobs) absent. Granted, we have good official trainers but they are stretched and there is far too much work to be done.
I can 1/2 agree with you on this.

The main cause of the change is the need for instant gratification. People want to be in a squad NOW. They don't want to wait until...

A) Their personality can be evaluated to see if the fit in a particular squad.

B) Their talent can be evaluated to see how much training they need.

C) Someone is willing to teach them.

As for me, I was watched by the Buffalos for a year before being asked to join the squad. Even then "I" didn't feel I was good enough to be in a squad and didn't accept the invitation until a year later. So, I was squadless for my first 2 years in WWII flight sims.

People just don't do that now. They form a squad and invite anyone that will join. And most will join because they want to be in a squad NOW.
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« Reply #126 on: September 06, 2007, 02:39:15 PM »
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:O ... umm ... how ... how can that be true !!! ... he is RANKED #1 ... I mean ... he has got to be REAL good to be RANKED #1 ... right ?

I mean ... when I see him in the same arena as me ... I stay far away cause I don't want to get pwned ... ya know what I mean ?

:rofl

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« Reply #127 on: September 06, 2007, 03:58:02 PM »
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Personally, I blame the vets for the change... why teach noobs when you can 'pwn' them instead? Why do noobs want to go through the constant belittling trying to get training when they can just fly in a pack and do something easy like base capture?
I agree with the premiss, but I don't think that is the cause.  At least not the main cause.  I see a number of people who quietly help newer players learn the same way I did before becomming a trainer.

I think Pyro nailed it when he explained the arena split.  It's growth.  With a small community, etiquette for good game play can be peer pressured into effect.  Most people don't want to be an 'outsider', in the minority, and disliked.  AH has grown, and slowly what had once been frowned upon, and those playing that way, are now the norm.  The crowd that has a different, and some might say, lower standard of gameplay have the majority.  And it's not about playing the game 'my way' or 'your way', it's about a style of gameplay that lowers the enjoyment of everyone, friend or foe without a second thought.

They've succeded in breaking the large hordes into less frequent smaller hordes with the arena splits, but I think the part about having smaller neighborhoods has been ineffective.  The arena choices now are:  2 arenas with the full plane set, and 3 with progressively limited planesets.  The setup does not have a 'hook' to give enough people a reason to call an arena their home.  Until they find a setup where each arena gets it's own personallity and sub-community beyond consisting of just a handful of people, they won't get their smaller 'neighborhoods'.  Without that, there's no real effective arena ettiquette because it's mob rule.

Still I choose to call out gameplay stupidity when I see it.  I don't expect it do anything, but maybe a few spectators might be swayed.  Hence the differing opinion than you in another active thread.

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« Reply #128 on: September 07, 2007, 03:10:54 AM »
Best:  Winning a HO
Worst:  Colliding trying to win a HO

:huh

Really...

Best: Extended 1 on 1  ('s to SlapShot and Agent360 for some good ones recently and to many others in the past)
Worst: 1 vs 10 gang bangers (get some skill... you really NEED 10?)
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« Reply #129 on: September 07, 2007, 03:54:19 AM »
Ok.

I got a *huge* laugh outta

'I blame the vets'

Here's a quick question for Delirium:
How many years have you spent training new players?
Better yet, do you know what airspeed you can be at, and do a full-on descending Immelman coming out at less than 50' in every single airplane the sim offers?

I did, among many other bits of info that you had to know to be good in your ride and your opponents ride.

I'll tell you why I do not train new players anymore, after I had done so for several years *before* there was an AW training academy.

I was at the top of my game, and it was truly a pleasure to pass on some of what I knew to someone just figuring out how to get the gear up after takeoff. The art of Boom and Zoom, knife fighting, how to engage and disengage ..and how to develope a shooting eye.. I was good at it.

The 'dueling' jerkoffs began showin up just to 'duel' me ..they'd disrupt any training I was tryin to setup, spamming text and just being jerkoffs in general.

I grew to despise dueling.
During that time frame .. I never lost.
It felt stupid to me to have to show some loud mouth dweeb that yes .. after spending years learning all the capabilities of the plane he thought he was 'hot' in .. that if he made a single mistake .. he was mine.
And they always made mistakes.
Always.

I figured if I spanked 'em hard perhaps they'd let me do some training.
Never happened.

I got fed up, the AWTA was just winding up, and I told the trainers at the time I just could not see disrupting their classes with the jerkoffs that always seemed to show up when I was there.

But hey .. that's just me.
I was payin $6/hr to be there, my monthly bill was over $1k/mo for a long time.

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« Reply #130 on: September 07, 2007, 06:19:32 AM »
GrayEagle...If you're DmdGE.... what you voluntarily taught me in very early AOL AW stays with me to today. Our fights were short and always ended in me dieing. So I never beat you, but the things you taught me to counteract the B&Z are still there. You were/are one of the best sticks, if not the best stick I've ever seen.

If you're not damned.. anyway. :)
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« Reply #131 on: September 07, 2007, 09:30:18 AM »
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I was wondering how other players felt about the game and what keeps them playing or what causes them to want to leave?


The game alone used to keep me interested.  That's now no longer the case.  Flying with buddies out ranks finding Aces High interesting and exciting.

I wish that were no so.

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« Reply #132 on: September 07, 2007, 09:56:42 AM »
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The game alone used to keep me interested.  That's now no longer the case.  Flying with buddies out ranks finding Aces High interesting and exciting.

I wish that were no so.
I suspect this is true for a goodly number of players.  it is true for me as well in many respects.

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« Reply #133 on: September 07, 2007, 11:17:22 AM »
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Here's a quick question for Delirium:
How many years have you spent training new players?


I was an AW trainer and I've done what I can here, as well. Maybe I didn't have the $1k bills a month, but I tried to give back...

Look, I understand you can be a little bitter not be able to hold official classes in the past but I stand by what I said in the text above.

Sometimes, showing the new players the light headed enjoyment of engaging aircraft and really whipping them instead of 'one pass, haul ass' is what the game needs. Currently, you often see 10+ cons attacking a mostly undefended base while the other side has 10+ cons attacking the opposing side's undefended base.

I do agree with you on one point, dueling isn't always the best trainer.

Also, when I said 'I blame the vets', it was mostly aimed at the score whoring from 'vets' that is so prevelent in AH today.
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« Reply #134 on: September 07, 2007, 03:40:39 PM »
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