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Offline RightF00T

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« on: September 05, 2007, 12:25:09 AM »
I've seen Chairboy post about not letting receipt checkers stop him in stores.  He's immediately who I thought of when I read this.

http://www.michaelrighi.com/2007/09/01/arrested-at-circuit-city/


Cliff Notes:  Guy refuses baggage check, Circuity City stops him, guy protests, cops come and he is arrested

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2007, 02:29:44 AM »
The fact of the matter is that this is not the Land of the Free.  We as normal citizens are the lowest common denominator.  The Government manages us much like a farmer manages a herd of cattle.

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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2007, 02:51:17 AM »
While I HATE thieves, I hate personal privacy invasion and constitutional rights being violated more. This is NOT a police state, yet. You can detain a customer on suspicion of theft, but you have to have probable cause otherwise it is unlawful detention (in Tx). They had none. No observation, no alarm, nada, zip, zilch.

I would have done the exact same thing. You better have PC when you stop me from exiting a store or be ready to face the concequences. Wal-Mart has tried this a in a couple stores I've been in, I've never slowed down exiting. They've always backed down. Store policy is not law and they know it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2007, 03:38:52 AM »
I really don't know the legality of asking somebody to check their reciept when they exit a store.  I know that on the day after Thanksgiving, the stores have their huge sale.  Wal-Mart hired cops and to the best of my knowledge, there was only one incident.  The woman was such a (insert colorful metaphore here) that when I explained what would happen, she said some real nice things about me and that I was going to be sued. But her reciept was checked.  I did thank her and wish her a happy holiday too.   :D

Well, that was just one incident.  I know that the store can stop a person if the security alarm goes off.  If a person refuses to comply, then its disorderly conduct.  

Either way, it takes a few minutes.  Whats the big deal?  Just my .02 cents.

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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2007, 04:26:36 AM »
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Either way, it takes a few minutes.  Whats the big deal?

Invasion of privacy and illegal search to start with. Call me crazy, but I believe in The Constitution.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2007, 05:17:15 AM »
RPM, I'm not trying to be disrespectful when I say this but I hate that BS everyone says....."It's a free country.  You are violating my Constitutional Rights!"  This is the greatest country on the Planet!  I truely believe that and do everything in my power to protect a persons civil rights.  

What I read out of that article was a young man's bruised ego.  "How dare they stop me and acuse me of stealing!"  First of all, I'll be the first to day I don't know anything of Ohio's criminal law.  But the police officer did have the right to stop and question the man.  A call for service by the business warranted a threshold inquiry.  

Let me put it this way, sombody breaks into your house or car and take a baseball cap out that you had.  You call the police and they show up.  You point out somebody walking down the street wearing a baseball cap just like you had.  The police officer then says to you, "So, its a very popular cap"  and walks away without talking to the person.  Wouldn't you be saying "WTF"?

What happened to Mr. Righi was he first questioned the police officers authority.  The police officer had the right to ask for identification.  That means name, date of birth, and address.  Where is all that information conveniently found?  On a driver's license.  Failure to provide this information will result in a person being arrested.  To a civilian that sounds pretty harsh.  Put yourself in the police officer's shoes for a few minutes.  He/she is conducting an investigation and wants to complete it as quickly and thouroghly as possible.

Miranda Rights.  This always gets me too.  People watch too much TV.  Miranda is used only during an interrogation.  What that means is if I'm going to question you about a crime that you may be involved in, I need to advise you of your rights.  Thats where Miranda comes in.  I do not have to advise anyone of their rights when they get arrested.  Note that Miranda doesn't apply to booking questions though.

As far as who was right in this incident, I wasn't there.  There are always two sides to a story and so far I've only heard Mr. Righi's side.  I'm sure the arresting officer would have a different version.  

Let me put this question out there as well.  You go out to buy some beer.  To buy beer, the clerk says they need to see some identification.  What would you had over?  A birth certificate?  Driver's license?  State Id card?  Isn't the clerk violation your right of privacy as well?  

All of those questions are hypothetical though.  You want the beer, you show your identification.  Same thing applied to Mr. Righi.  He just chose to argue with the wrong person.

Again, I don't mean to disrespect anyone.  I just think the jury is still out on this one.  

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2007, 05:46:03 AM »
I read a posting by the young man somewhere a few days ago, but can't remember where. He seemed an intelligent, articulate and rational sounding young man who was not being a jerk. He wasn't showboating, but the truth is that it doesn't matter if he was or not.

If you think that situation was wrong, did you hear about the trucker who had $23,000 confiscated by a state trooper and "forfeited" to the DEA? His truck was subject to a random search and the trooper asked him if he had any drugs or over $10,000 in cash in the truck.

The driver truthfully responded because he didn't use a bank and carried his cash, paying his bills with it.

No drugs were found in the search, but the cash was confiscated because it is presumed that anyone with over $10,000 is a drug dealer. The trucker has no criminal record. He will have to sue to get the money back, taking a year or more, while he can't make his truck payments or operating expenses. He will have to prove the money was his, instead of the government having to prove the money was ill-gotten.

I'll try to find the article.

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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2007, 07:07:14 AM »
it's costco's policy to check EVERYONE'S receipt when they leave the store, it's in the membership agreement.

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2007, 07:17:07 AM »
I don't stop either it's BS.  I wonder if it's illegal to refuse to show ID to a police officer in florida?

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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2007, 07:34:31 AM »
Next thing you know they'll feel they have a right to strip search all their customers.

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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2007, 07:35:25 AM »
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I don't stop either it's BS.  I wonder if it's illegal to refuse to show ID to a police officer in florida?


I imagine it is illegal Storch

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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2007, 08:09:50 AM »
There is no way to personally moniter EVERYBODY in the the store 100% of the time. If a store had no right to protect its goods from thieves, in the way of stopping them, they'd lose their rearend.

 Put yourself in their shoes for a minute and say you own a store, and you thought a guy was walking out with something you owned. Wouldnt you want it back and him punished?

 Im not a fan of corporations, but Im certainly not a fan of thieves.

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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2007, 08:26:59 AM »
From the stores point f view it is probably a lot cheaper to pay some guy minimum wage to check recipts than to buy some hitech securty/camera system. If the store were to go with the system instead of a guy standing there the prices would most likely be raised to pay for it. I'm sure that most people would then start complaining about the prices.

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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2007, 08:34:29 AM »
I happen to agree with the guy on this.  A store has no right to accuse  you or detain you.  They are not working in any official capaicity as law enforcment.  I hate those reciept checkers but usually out of curtosy I will have mine out and handy just so they can run their highlighter over it.  If there's a line going out the door I bypass it and waive at the guy as I leave.  I refuse to wait in line just to leave a store.

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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2007, 09:09:37 AM »
Man, I saw this on another forum a few days ago and it turned into a 14 page mess. It could have all been summed up and shut down with the saying "Excercise your rights or have them taken away". You can think the guy is an ******* for not showing his receipt, but he legally doesn't have to, and that should be the end of it.

The interesting question that came up on the other forum is whether you can be arrested for refusing to show ID to a cop, under that silly overbroad "hindrance of duties" law. I had a quick search online but couldn't come up with an answer for NYC. According to some dude on the internet, a ruling of a Supreme Court case says you don't need to show ID, and that applies to every state in the US? Anyone know the answer to this?