New H2H proposal.

[technical]

Originally posted by Coshy
Bull!

Name one pay to play game that gives you anything longer than a 2 week trial. Name one pay to play game that you dont have to learn while you are playing (and paying).

Oh thats easy, Runescape for one..theres a free 2 play version, and a play to pay.  You learn in the free to play, then you can enjoy the p2p all the more, look at the subscription ratio of runescape to aces high.  Uhum thats what i thought.

[technical]

Originally posted by A8TOOL
You and your buddy both registered in January of 07   If you havn't learned anything since then you just won't or your lying.  The truth is, your spoiled. Now go to bed before your parents find out your still up.

You just want to believe that, it makes you feel more superior.  WE've already sent in our money for the p2p version, so i'll see you in the sky.. infront of my plane bursting into flames..

[Shuffler]

Originally posted by Orwell
Mainly waiting for idiots like those who immediately responded to get bent.

Then waiting for a one time fee option. I don't want to subscribe to the MA, I found MA very boring.

Well obviously your not a WW2 enthusiast.... so far you sound like a person on the government dole that complains they want more of this and more of that. You know nothing about Aces High if you found all the rooms available to be boring. Even the folks who do not like the 4 MA's either love the racing, scenarios, AVA or snapshots.

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by technical
I think many of you don't see the point of the 8 player option, the whole point was that 2 weeks wasnt enough to learn all there was and so they wanted a free arena to play.  I'm willing to bet that almost all of you here that are p2p started in the 8 player, correct me if i'm wrong (unless you have previous experience in a flight game)

The point of it was to get people hooked so they'd subscribe, not to have a server filled with kids who scream about how they deserve even more for less.

BTW, only HT knows for sure, but I would wager that the number of subscribers who were once only freeloaders is pathetically low. I'd wager 5% or less of the current customers.

[WaRLoCkL]

i see no reason to up the number of people in H2H, because then it would be a mini MA and then charging a 1 time fee is unfair to the people that pay monthly to play. Hightech is no big company and can not make a fortun off a 1 time fee for their game, they would be out of business. Remember these guys have to make money very month to be able to keep things in running order, as well as updates.

However, i think the MA should be a little more forgiving to us paying players, when ENY is so high that u cant even up a plane hardly, its really unfair. The faster the war is won, the sooner a new game can begin in my opinion. Also the full arena is unfair to the squads,

We all pay our dues in the MA, i think there should be no freeloaders who get to play by NO rules what so ever.

[WaRLoCkL]

Originally posted by technical
You just want to believe that, it makes you feel more superior.  WE've already sent in our money for the p2p version, so i'll see you in the sky.. infront of my plane bursting into flames..

BOY oh BOY, do u have a lot to learn, U just dont know the severity of ownage that is going to happen to u when u go to the MA, u boys are use to having tons of ammo and fuel do to settings changes in H2H.

U also do not understand the difference in skill lvl us MA boys have over u H2H, you are going to get OWNT so hard its not even funny, dont ever even speak of shooting someone down in here, until u actually make it to the MA

Right now u are like the little gold fish in a tank full of chinese fighting fish, U have no idea of the buttwhooping that is forthcomming to u.

[FiLtH]

Join the game and then you can goto the Dueling Arena and play as you did in H2H. You'd never have to set foot in the MA.

[A8TOOL]

look what I found


Technical  arguing with Skuzzy and demanding he help him so his friends can come over and play.

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198143

Couple days later and he's giving advice on how to manage buttons and problems while in flight.
 But the best ones where he tries to compare brushing your teeth and AH.   here's a small part.  This kid is just a kid  and makes me think of how many kids I've (we've) argued with on these boards.

Originally posted by technical
I know you get the same thing in anything in life.  Where i live, they're debating whether to keep flouride in our water, it totally helps keep teeth healthy, but it can damage other parts of the body, you can't have both good teeth and not have any bodily harm.  But, there is a solution!  Hurrah, you could brush your own teeth.  More work and whatever, yes, but everybody wins.  Thats similar to here, you got the people who can't get it all handled in 2 weeks, but you also have th epeople that want to play because for whatever reason they don't subscribe, and the 8 player was that happy medium (the toothbrush) where everyone could be happy, .

[Orwell]

15 a month is too much for me to play H2H. as I said I am willing to pay a one time fee. The cost of the average retail boxed game. If I payed 15 a month for 1 year it would be $180. That is far more than this game is worth considering that Triple A titles like Halo 3, Bioshock and Crysis and other games (not to mention the fourth coming BoB) only require a 50-70 dollar one time purchase price to play.

Now before you start telling me I am comparing apples to oranges, I know most of the games I mentioned are FPS's and not flight sims, I am trying to make a broader point. Namely, that this subscription service seems too expensive for what you are actually getting.

You are getting a game with 1997 era graphics. For one year's subscription you could buy 2 quality titles (like the latest iteration of il2 or the upcoming BoB). I'm not saying this game isn't of significant quality, but these guys are making money hand over fist and still haven't gotten around to updating the graphics. This is my biggest grievance of all.

I would be willing to pay a one time fee to hitech of approx 50-60 dollars, forgiving the game's ugliness, to play H2H with my friends who aren't snobs and the vast majority of whom ran respectable rooms with thorough and strictly enforced rules of conduct.

At the risk of contradicting myself, I might be willing to try MA again in order to see what all the hype is about. Maybe I missed out on something special. I will have to revisit MA to make sure I'm not wrong about it.

I just had so much fun in H2H and met such great people. Maybe there were some sh**heads, but for the most part, they were weeded out within minutes as we made life intolerable for them until they left.

Props to Benny, TA57, briz, Acetolyn, Xena and all the other hosts who made H2H fun and orderly.

Also, this belongs in General Discussion because it pertains to making H2H a pay to play (at a discount) version of AH2. So stop with the "take it to the freeloader forums" garbage. Quit being ignorant and appreciate the fact that some people had lots of fun and behaved ourselves. Stop painting everyone with the same brush. This is a legitimate suggestion and I think your short and curt responses speak more to your character than to my supposed lack of intellect or audacity in posting this thread in this section of the forum.

[The Fugitive]

Originally posted by Orwell
15 a month is too much for me to play H2H. as I said I am willing to pay a one time fee. The cost of the average retail boxed game. If I payed 15 a month for 1 year it would be $180. That is far more than this game is worth considering that Triple A titles like Halo 3, Bioshock and Crysis and other games (not to mention the fourth coming BoB) only require a 50-70 dollar one time purchase price to play.

Now before you start telling me I am comparing apples to oranges, I know most of the games I mentioned are FPS's and not flight sims, I am trying to make a broader point. Namely, that this subscription service seems too expensive for what you are actually getting.

You are getting a game with 1997 era graphics. For one year's subscription you could buy 2 quality titles (like the latest iteration of il2 or the upcoming BoB). I'm not saying this game isn't of significant quality, but these guys are making money hand over fist and still haven't gotten around to updating the graphics. This is my biggest grievance of all.

I would be willing to pay a one time fee to hitech of approx 50-60 dollars, forgiving the game's ugliness, to play H2H with my friends who aren't snobs and the vast majority of whom ran respectable rooms with thorough and strictly enforced rules of conduct.

LOL!!! first off, you couldn't PAY ME to play any of those other games ! LOL!!! talk about games without anything to do !! OK lets all spawn in, start firring at anything that moves till we take a head shot from only god knows where LOL!!

Obviously this game isn't what you want to play. If it was you wouldn't have any trouble paying 50 cents a day to play it. There is nothing wrong with the graphics. Yes I've seen "Oblivion" and its really cool the way the leaves twist in the wind, but this game you paying for all the "mathematics" that are involved in a 3D flight sim. To play any decent flight sim takes far more computer than any other game.

I'd like to know how you know HTC is making money hand over fist? Your assuming that. Owners of Pro football teams are making money hand over fist but you don't expect them to give you a "one time fee" for the season, even if you promise not to sit down, and wander the causeways for the entire game, it ain't going to happen. Nothing in life is free, get use to it.

Pony up the $15, or go join the fun in Halo

[dedalos]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
Obviously this game isn't what you want to play. If it was you wouldn't have any trouble paying 50 cents a day to play it. There is nothing wrong with the graphics. Yes I've seen "Oblivion" and its really cool the way the leaves twist in the wind, but this game you paying for all the "mathematics" that are involved in a 3D flight sim. To play any decent flight sim takes far more computer than any other game.

I thought the math was done and was perfect years ago.  I want to see leaves twisting from 10k now

I'd like to know how you know HTC is making money hand over fist? Your assuming that. Owners of Pro football teams are making money hand over fist but you don't expect them to give you a "one time fee" for the season, even if you promise not to sit down, and wander the causeways for the entire game, it ain't going to happen. Nothing in life is free, get use to it.

Sure you can ask.  They are called season tickets.  They are good for a year

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Orwell

Now before you start telling me I am comparing apples to oranges, I know most of the games I mentioned are FPS's and not flight sims, I am trying to make a broader point. Namely, that this subscription service seems too expensive for what you are actually getting.

 

You are comparing apples and oranges but not for the reason you think.  Those games you mentioned are for the most part single player games with an online multiplayer feature.  That does not make the game an MMO with 400+ players in a single arena.  So trying to compare any of those games to an MMO is just silly and not a valid comparison.

The price of a subscription is comparable with what other MMOs charge per month and frankly, it's a steal compared to what it used to.  You think this is too expensive?   Be thankful you weren't old enough or born for that matter, to play Air Warrior on Genie and had to pay $6 an hour or sometimes $12 an hour just to play.

And to be honest, this game isn't for you and you should cut your losses and look for another game.  I hate to be frank like this but from your posts, it's just obvious that you're looking for a "Quake" like multiplayer game to play and you won't find it here.

ack-ack

[PanzerIV]

Originally posted by reeb
Take it to the freeloader forum

I may be a freeloader, but I agree, H2H issues belong in the H2H area.

[pluck]

!!!! you mean i've been paying too much all along.

oh well, welcome to the free market where things are worth what people will pay.  HTC could charge $150/hr.  why doesn't he?  while your answearing that question, consider why he charges 50 cents a day to play?  then ask yourself why you just blew a 1.25 on a soda from the vending machine which you chugged in 5 mins.

bottom line, if you don't think it is worth the money to play, then don't play. I think it is worth the money to play so I do, as do a few others.

[Orwell]

Dude, this is the game for me. It has been for 9 months. You all seem to think I am a jerked off little 12 year old, so let me explain what kind of people H2H can cater to.

I'm 22 years old and am like 7 hours from having my private pilots license and I am joining the Canadian Airforce as a Direct Entry Officer after I finish university. I currently work dispatch for one of the largest helicopter companies in Canada (and soon a decent sized company even for the world). My dad was a pilot in the CAF for 22 years flying Kiowa's for the Army, SK-61's in the North Sea for the Navy, and CH-113's in a SAR role for the Air Force. I grew up around this stuff, and fully plan on being involved in it myself.

I also play tonnes of games. I have or am buying all the games listed above and have played every quality title since about 1996. I've played LOMAC, IL2-PF "Merged", MSFS since god knows when and MSCFS.

I know you guys don't care to read this little bio of myself, but hopefully it will illuminate you to the sorts of people who like AH2 and why they like AH2.

I played H2H because it was down and dirty fun. I was good at it too. I'd like to fight some of you although admittedly the limitations on fuel and ammo would initially out me at a disadvantage, but I think some of my "mentors" (the more serious of H2H hosts) will tell you I'm a quick study.

Maybe I'll try MA out for a while after I get my new credit card (lost the old one).

Anyway, I still contend that you MA guys judge H2H'ers far too swiftly, far too harshly and far too broadly. Moreover, I still think that you underestimate the virtue of H2H for the beginners and for those who don't wish to be burdened with a monthly charge.

Maybe I was wrong about Hitech making money hand over fist. I was frustrated and spoke too quickly. But from a financial standpoint, I think the benifits of a one time fee payment structure for a "H2H pass" could stand to greatly increase hitech's cash flow. Think of all the people who don't want to pay, but will pay a modest price for H2H. I think the potential here is quite worth looking at from HTC's point of view. If you think this conflicts with HTC's ability to offer MA first rate service, I'm sorry, but I think H2H is worth having in the terms that I have enumerated.