Author Topic: A plea for the Stuka  (Read 2061 times)

Offline faminz

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 197
A plea for the Stuka
« on: September 09, 2007, 09:53:42 PM »
I am currently reading Hans Ulrich Rudel’s autobiography ‘Stuka pilot’ and it started me musing over how we could increase the usage of the Ju-87 in Aces High.

well why not?

Obviously it is hardly used in the main arena except by newbies, show offs or damn fools but in real life it was a tough well liked old bird that performed the anti armour mission on the Russian front remarkably well.

And I feel we do need a good anti armour plane.

Of course, like all things in life, tweaking a plane’s parameters always has to be a compromise. Give with one hand and take with another so we don’t get an uber-plane.
Well, in the Stuka’s case I think it already has enough cons (under powered, lack of fighter maneuverability, damn all ammo.. ie: a sitting duck.

But what could we do to increase its use?

Well, I hereby suggest two things:

1.   Lets have the G version with those under-wing 37mm cannon. Think tank-buster!  You have a swarm of armour attacking your base? If this bird was available would you take it up and start hunting T-34’s. Damn right I would for one!  Are the tanks more vulnerable from the rear? I seem to remember this is actually modelled somewhere. Then lets emulate Rudel and hedge hop around to their backside for a lead enema! Cool! Surely this wouldnt be a hugh job for Hitechcreations?

2.   Lets enable the CCIP dive bomber sight online just for this plane. The stuka was noted for its pin point accuracy with bombs. Rudel notes how he used to go fishing with 100kg bombs in nearby rivers! In a screaming dive they were very accurate. So give that plane the dive bomb sight that is usually only available offline.

Whaddaya think?
Lets start hunting Tanks!

Offline Lusche

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 23939
      • Last.FM Profile
Re: A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2007, 10:01:26 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by faminz

And I feel we do need a good anti armour plane.
 


While I'll would like to see the 87G, it's not that we do not have any good anti-armor planes right now:

Il-2 (cannon outright kills  everything but T-34 and Tiger)
Hurricane IID ( no tank in game is save from being nailed by it)
B-25H (not a dedicated GV  killer by design but it works...)
« Last Edit: September 09, 2007, 10:03:31 PM by Lusche »
Steam: DrKalv
E:D Snailman

In November 2025, Lusche will return for a 20th anniversary tour. Get your tickets now!

Offline DaddyAck

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 842
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2007, 11:40:38 PM »
I believe the stuka could use some lovin' pehaps the G model.  But to enable the TA sight is not a good idea.  I can bomb accuratey in a stuka without it and so can scores of other people, it just takes practice.

Offline Spikes

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15848
    • Twitch: Twitch Feed
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2007, 06:16:16 AM »
At this point all the stuka is is a milk running tool...I'd love the G.
i7-12700k | Gigabyte Z690 GAMING X | 64GB G.Skill DDR4 | EVGA 1080ti FTW3 | H150i Capellix

FlyKommando.com

Offline BaldEagl

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10791
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2007, 01:42:41 PM »
All you have to do is use it.  I've got 26 kills and no deaths in it so far this camp through all three arenas (EW, MW and LW) including 2 air kills.  I mean, sure, it would be nice but I'm not sure I see what the cannons add and all we need is HOing Stukas.

[EDIT]  You don't need a special drop sight.  This plane is incredibly accurate in it's drops as it is.  Probably moreso than any other plane in the game (which is why I've been flying it so much).
« Last Edit: September 10, 2007, 01:47:10 PM by BaldEagl »
I edit a lot of my posts.  Get used to it.

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 06:05:45 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by BaldEagl
All you have to do is use it.  I've got 26 kills and no deaths in it so far this camp through all three arenas (EW, MW and LW) including 2 air kills.  I mean, sure, it would be nice but I'm not sure I see what the cannons add and all we need is HOing Stukas.



It would be a waste to try and HO in a G-1 since all the ammo it carried for the 37mm cannon 6 to 12 rounds per pod.

Now, if we had the D-5 with wing mounted 20mm cannons then I'd worry about people trying to HO in the Stuka.


ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
Re: A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 06:08:08 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by faminz


2.   Lets enable the CCIP dive bomber sight online just for this plane. The stuka was noted for its pin point accuracy with bombs. Rudel notes how he used to go fishing with 100kg bombs in nearby rivers! In a screaming dive they were very accurate. So give that plane the dive bomb sight that is usually only available offline.

Whaddaya think?
Lets start hunting Tanks!


Ju87s didn't use CCIP, so why should we add it to the game?


ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline PanzerIV

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 742
      • http://17thawsquad.aowc.net/main.asp
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2007, 07:49:23 PM »
Go to custom sounds and skins and check out the siren I made, I got pretty positive responses on it. Make sure you go to the thread labeled Stuka siren V2.0, Stuka Siren V1 isnt very good.
Oh yeah, just learn how to dive bomb, I find it very accurate even without the green blob helping out. If you want, find the sight called JABO, that can help you out in dive bombing.
and weren't the 37mm semi automatic?
look up on youtube for great footage of Gs in training and combat.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2007, 07:53:46 PM by PanzerIV »

Offline evenhaim

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3329
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2007, 08:17:28 PM »
Stuka is used, I use, as do many pilots, its accurate and a great gv killer, the only reason you see the image of a stuka is great is because they operated in numbers. I once hosted a Ju87 mission against a cv task group.  It was fun seeing 28 stukas in formation in the old Ma and we demolished the task group and almost every base in the vicinity with ord to spare.

-Freezman
Freez/Freezman
Army of Muppets
I could strike down 1,000 bulletin board accounts in 5 seconds.
You want ownage, I'll give you ownage! -Skuzzy
I intend to live forever - so far, so good.

Offline Serenity

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7313
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2007, 09:38:29 PM »
I agree on the G. While I dont like its looks, I will ALWAYS want more Iron Aircraft!

Offline MjTalon

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2587
      • 82nd FG Home
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2007, 10:30:19 PM »
i love the stuka, i fly it often in missions as evenhaim said earlier, they own in missions and in groups because there not as defenceless and those 1800kg bombs pack's a wallop, can level a whole base or task group with a good 7+. But i would like to see a tank buster or more verisons of the stuka please, STUKA NEEDS SOME LUVIN 2:aok

S.A.P.P.
Cavalier - 82nd F.G
Group Commanding Officer

Offline gpwurzel

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3836
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2007, 04:44:01 AM »
Done a few missions in Stuka's........mostly against cv's.......good fun.....only snag is getting bounced by someone in a 262 (last mission I was on)...took virtually the whole lot of us down...lol.......too funny.......did try and turn into him, but with that 1800 on it....turns like a very slow house brick.......

Cant beat a bit of stuka action...(I blame MJTalon...he always gets me into a stuka mish...lol...)


Wurzel
I'm the worst pilot ingame ya know!!!

It's all unrealistic crap requested by people who want pie in the sky actions performed without an understanding of how things work and who can't grasp reality.


Offline Oldman731

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9504
Re: Re: A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2007, 08:15:14 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Ju87s didn't use CCIP, so why should we add it to the game?

I've occasionally thought it would be a good idea to give dedicated dive bombers a more accurate bomb sight.  Historically they tended to be the most accurate bombers (on a bomb-for-bomb basis).  But the regular bomb sight is so easy in AH that there's every reason NOT to take an SBD or Val or Stuka up for a spin.

So:  given that none of these bomb sights are historically accurate, giving the dive bombers a better sight encourages a historically accurate distinction.  How's that?

- oldman

Offline MjTalon

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2587
      • 82nd FG Home
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2007, 08:56:03 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by gpwurzel
Done a few missions in Stuka's........mostly against cv's.......good fun.....only snag is getting bounced by someone in a 262 (last mission I was on)...took virtually the whole lot of us down...lol.......too funny.......did try and turn into him, but with that 1800 on it....turns like a very slow house brick.......

Cant beat a bit of stuka action...(I blame MJTalon...he always gets me into a stuka mish...lol...)


Wurzel



lol i remember that mission :rofl  262 downed all of us but it was TOO funny because he came back for the last after about 7 passes, anyway stuka missions are hella fun, just gotta have some escort's and good formation flying with a bit of coordanation and you'll deliver those whopping 1800kg bombs all the time.:aok

S.A.P.P.
Cavalier - 82nd F.G
Group Commanding Officer

Offline Charge

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3414
A plea for the Stuka
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2007, 04:06:27 AM »
Firstly we simply cannot have a decent German bomber with a decent gun, probably because they already have 30mms in fighters and too much big guns would make the opposition feel like "inferiorly equipped".

Of course that was partly remedied with B25s 75mm but having a 20mm in Ju88 or those 37mms in Ju87 would again lopside the situation... ;)

Secondly...errrr.. well.....

-C+
"When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a giant meteor hurtling to the earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much screwed no matter what you wish for. Unless of course, it's death by meteorite."