Author Topic: John Kerry is running? (Read 1451 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #30 on:** September 18, 2007, 08:03:13 PM »

Tango, sorry but you are misinformed. If necessary an Officer does not need to precede action with discourse particularly when in the process of observing a violation or making an arrest.

Once again, keep in mind that you are not seeing the entire situation in those clips or even what really happened other than parts of it.

Speed55 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 18, 2007, 08:26:08 PM »

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[B he was approaching a US senator in a somewhat out of control manner were I on that detail he would have been swept down and dragged out. [/B]

I remember watching tv as a kid, and in pretty much the same situation, the cops just bum rushed the guy, and drug him out. The crowd just dismissed him as a loon, and got on with business.

This was maybe 20 years ago.

storch · « **Reply #32 on:** September 18, 2007, 08:51:44 PM »

it needs to be today as well. it is always correct to use physical force to restrain someone who is in the process of disrupting any social event if the individual will not respond to verbal warning. the guy clearly had an agenda he clearly provoked the rentacops he wanted to be tazed and on top of that he is the biggest panzy I've seen in a while. I was tazed voluntarily to feel the effect of a tazer as I was considering carrying one as an option to deadly force. it's a shock but I concluded that it was just better for me to keep my model 649 in my pocket. tazing doesn't hurt that much, the option to deadly force will remain a shuto strike to the throat.

AKIron · « **Reply #33 on:** September 18, 2007, 09:40:19 PM »

John Kerry had his run for the white house, unlikely he'll get another. Like Ted Kennedy though, he's royalty and unlikey to be dethroned.

Tango · « **Reply #34 on:** September 18, 2007, 10:34:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Tango, sorry but you are misinformed. If necessary an Officer does not need to precede action with discourse particularly when in the process of observing a violation or making an arrest.

Once again, keep in mind that you are not seeing the entire situation in those clips or even what really happened other than parts of it.

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Originally posted by Maverick
Tango, sorry but you are misinformed. If necessary an Officer does not need to precede action with discourse particularly when in the process of observing a violation or making an arrest.

Once again, keep in mind that you are not seeing the entire situation in those clips or even what really happened other than parts of it.

I saw enough to know that the officers came up behind him and didn't make any verbal contact with him. They simply grabbed him when all he was doing was talking into a mic. If he was being disruptive then they are to ask him to come along with them out of the building. Not grab him and use force unless he refuses. They never gave him a chance to comply or resist.

As for misinformed, I have a brother who is a federal officer. He said if those officers didn't approach him to leave and he wasn't showing himself as a threat, they may be seeing charges for brutality. The only time they react physically is when there is a possibility of violence. Standing there ranting like a loon holding a book isn't a threat. He didn't deserve to be jumped even if he is an idiot.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 18, 2007, 11:33:06 PM »

That Moron Rhodes on the radio made it appear that he was some innocent honor student chiorboy who after helping and old woman off the podium was asking Kerry a simple question about the constitution and po disenfranchised voters, and small kittens. before he was jumped By Bush,Rove, Cheney and Ben Franklin himself and tasered for no reason.

Watching that video proved that wrong. What kinda of whiny bish crys "help! helllppp mmeeeeee!" when being drug off by the police? Plus his screaming like a pig as they tasered him.

john9001 · « **Reply #36 on:** September 19, 2007, 08:05:42 AM »

and the quote of the month nominee is, "don't taze me bro".

Maverick · « **Reply #37 on:** September 19, 2007, 10:33:39 AM »

Tango,

If your brother is a real fed LEO, not a security guard and really told you that, he's a fool. You are welcome to believe whatever you want.

clerick · « **Reply #38 on:** September 19, 2007, 10:53:09 AM »

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I have the feeling his intention all along was to disrupt the meeting and bait the cops into doing exactly what they did.

The person that was video taping it, and originally released the tape, was there at the request of the guy who was tazered. So it seems that he wanted something to happen.

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Found this article after posting

Tango · « **Reply #39 on:** September 19, 2007, 01:15:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Tango,

If your brother is a real fed LEO, not a security guard and really told you that, he's a fool. You are welcome to believe whatever you want.

So you think officers are to go in using force WITHOUT trying to calm the situation down first? If they had asked him to leave with them when they cut off the mic and he refused, THEN they would be justified in force.

Yes, my brother is an I.C.E. agent.

Tango · « **Reply #40 on:** September 19, 2007, 01:18:06 PM »

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Originally posted by clerick
The person that was video taping it, and originally released the tape, was there at the request of the guy who was tazered. So it seems that he wanted something to happen.

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Found this article after posting

Regardless of what he was after, the police didn't handle it right. Maybe thats why several of them are suspended.

clerick · « **Reply #41 on:** September 19, 2007, 01:59:30 PM »

It seems that suspending an officer after any event like this is standard procedure. It is no indication of right or wrong on the part of these officers. Resisting arrest and being a public menace seems like cause for a tasering. If they had beat him or used any physical means other then restraint i might agree.

Maverick · « **Reply #42 on:** September 19, 2007, 02:03:51 PM »

Administrative leave pending review is not a suspension.

Tango · « **Reply #43 on:** September 19, 2007, 02:03:58 PM »

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Originally posted by clerick
It seems that suspending an officer after any event like this is standard procedure. It is no indication of right or wrong on the part of these officers. Resisting arrest and being a public menace seems like cause for a tasering. If they had beat him or used any physical means other then restraint i might agree.

I'm responding more to what started the whole thing. The officers never said a word to him. They simply went up and grabbed him.

As for the tasering, it did get abit out of hand and looked like they tasered him after he was cuffed.

clerick · « **Reply #44 on:** September 19, 2007, 02:24:16 PM »

the officers may or may not have said a word, we don't have that information. What we do know is that the moderators asked him to step down, then to leave before the cops were called in. He was acting in a disruptive manner in a public forum, he has a right to free speech, but by acting like a fool and being disrespectful the the promoters, the Senator and the public in attendance the other peoples right to safety took over.

Stop condemning the police anytime they do something, you handicap them with this crap and soon you'll wonder where they are when you really need them.