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Offline ScorpCH

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« on: September 19, 2007, 02:12:47 PM »
lets face it, we've all seen great dogfights on the video forum.  i think its much more intense reading about it though, let the the reader get his own image of the battle.  it also lets the reader know what the pilot was thinking durign the fight, making it much more personal.  i'd like to dedicate this thread to greatest dogfights people have experienced, and hopefuly people will share thier experiences for others to read and learn from.

I'll start out:

For those of you who know me im a p38 fanatic.  one day in the MA i was flying back and forth in my P38L from a friendly base to the enemy base where there was a decent fight taking place.  Stayign above 14k i scanned for high targets cherry picking friendlies below.  after scanning for about 3mins i spotted a lone spit roughly 13k.  i watch him as i closed on him as he just cherry picked friendlies below in a dogfight of about 7 knights and 9 rooks.  flying in with my back to the sun, i put my nose down to pick some airspeed and waited for the spit to come back up from a cherry pick.  just as i got closer i realised it was a spit 16.  again for those of you who know me.... know i REALY hate spits, specialy spixteen who cherry pick.  knowing what my target was exactly, i lined up on the spit as he came up to the top of his climb.  as i closed on the spit, all the hatred for the dweebs who fly nothign but the spixteen made my blood boil.  i watch him loop over to go in for another pick.  i rolled to the right 90 degrees and kicked in right rudder, settign my crosshairs just infront of his nose and let a 3 second busrt of .50's and 20mm hispanoes.  i watched the tracer rounds hit home on the spits tail followed by two peices im guessing to be the evelvators, fall off.  it must have been the elevators because the spit went into the dive and never came out.
    with the hi spit dead, i started scanning for mroe targets and found 3 rooks chasing a knight along the coast line.  i cut my throttle and went into a dive, kickign heavy right rudder and using left airleon to make my 38 do a sideways skid through the air almost, works great for diving in the 38, dotn build up too much e from the dive.  i cam in behind the pack chaising the fellow knight and i lined up on the plane to the rear of the pact, another spit 16 (go figure...).  i lined up on him from 400 out and let a busrt go that pinged his left wing.  as soon as i pinged him he broke up and to the right and i follow for a second pourign lead into him as he went up.  He exploded in a nasty fireball s i banked my fighter back to the left and got back in on the cons following the knight.  next on the list was a p51d, firign wildy at the knight plane.  i called on ranged for the knight to bank his plane left a little bit to get the pony to follow.  he did and presented a beautiful shot on the pony's left wing.  I pulled the rigger and .50's turned his left wing into swiss cheese and the spiraled down into the soup, hittign the water with big boom. 3 kills, one left.  the last rook harrasing my fellow night was a lone 109-g6.  the knight was bankign wildly avoiding the 109 who was less then 200 out from his 6.  i closed on the 109 and lined up a shot... and just as i went to pull the trigger he broke hard to the left and went into a spiral climb to the left.  i punched the throttle foreward and hit the WEP adn followed him up.  i watched as my airspeed bled away, i could tell he was tryign to rope me so i got the idea to wiggle the wing s a bit to make it look like i was floundering.  so i wiggle the stick a little bit as the p38 rocked from right to left and sure enough the 109 rolled over and made a pass on me. i dipped the nose down and to the left, barely avoiding 20mm's to the face (dirty rooks! *shakes fist*).  i saw him comign around on my 6 and gettign ready to make another pass at me. i went into a shallow dive to get my speed back.  we were at 7k so i baited him for a second, make it look like i was running, and he fell right for my trap.  he dove in from 1k out and i went into a dive as well, waited till he closed to 600 feet, cut my throttle to idle, pulled up and kicked in hard right rudder and went into a barrel roll makign him over shoot, i pulled up the nose, kicked the WEP and went vertical with him again. this time though, he went into a loop.  i dropped a notch of flaps and trimmed my elevator all the way forward and followed him through the loop, randomly firing my 50's at him, scoring hits on his nose and left wing.  once we came back level again he banked hard to the right and i followed him, but before i had a chance to reverse back he had already rolled back to the left and got in on my 6. i dipped the nose to te left and cut throttle and went into a hard right turn.  he followed the turn like i'd hoped so i dropped another 2 notch of flaps and gave the girl a little power as i kicked the rudder hard to left into a roll and then reversed back to the left, i saw him doing the same off my 5 oclock and when he turned into me i reversed back to right again and before i knew it, i was in a low speed, scissoring knife fight with a 109 in a 38.  we were barely 400 feet off the deck so there was no room to nose down and run, so this was a fight to the end. i dropped the rest of the flaps and kicked her over to left again listening to the sounds of the 109's engine behind me and guns chattering movign fromt he left headphone to the right head phone.  i looked behind me and saw him reversing back towards me again, so i banked to the right again but i pulled up and kicked in heavy left rudder and cuttign the throttle, buring a load of e, and finishing the roll, going back to the left watching as the 109 passed just feet above my cockpit and i rolled back in his direction, applyign heavy left rudder againt o keep my e down.  i rolled right in behind him, cept for now he was scissoring to stay alive this time. zig zaging through the air, riding on the knife's edge of the minumum airspeed out A/C could sustain, one of use was bound to screw up eventualy, fortunalty for me, it was him.  in the midst of the scissoring he popped full flaps and went up into a rollign scissors.  Riding the WEP to stay with him in the climb i trimmed my elevators all the way up again, giving me the turnign advantage, my guns crosshairs began to inch closer to him with each roll.  soon my patience paid off and i got the shot.  i let a burst go, missing him but just barely, so i pulled back hard ont he stick, gettign more of a lead, and i just layed on the guns.  i watched as my .50's and what was left of my 20mm's danced from one wingtip, to the cockpit, to the other wingtip.  there was a pause and then i hear a BOOM! in front of me as i watched a fireball replaced what was once my deadly, but very worthy adversary.  Low on fuel and with only 350 .50's and no more 20mm's left i pulled the flaps up and made a b-line for the closest knight base, landing 4 kills, worth a total of 17 perkies.  
that fight was so intense, i caught myself holding my breath (literaly) at moments.  afte rit was all said and done, i had to go smoke a cigarrette (kids, stay in school, and say no to drugs and cigarrettes) just to calm my nerves down.  i remember givign the 109 driver a but to this day i cant recall his name =(.

And thats my story.  RAWR!!! FEAR THE 38 DWEEBS:mad: :rolleyes:

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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2007, 02:17:28 PM »
P-38 sucks.


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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2007, 02:20:20 PM »
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P-38 sucks.


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haha!!! this coming from one of the greatest p38 pilots in the game who's skills match that of the great Murdr.   ack-man, you always make me laugh

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2007, 02:31:35 PM »
So let me get this straight.  You came in at 14k on a 7k fight to pick off cherry pickers.  Pot meet Kettle.


Sounds like you had a fun time with that 109.  Wish I could get into a few of those kinda fights.  Seems like all I ever find are runners.

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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2007, 02:33:44 PM »
Had one of those fights a couple weeks ago.  Soulyss, Shuffler, Silat, Murdr and I were up late in the evening and headed for the big red dar bar on the middle island.

I was in my 38G while the others were in Js and Ls.  We waded into a sea of red and I ended up on the deck turning with a N1K, Spit 16, LA7 and a 51 among others.  I was sure i was dead, but the old 38G was working as advertised as we turned and burned.  I augered the 51, and shot down the Spit, LA and N1K, all while hanging on full flaps and stalling out.  I recovered litterally 50 feet up and headed for home surprised I was still flying.

Of the 5 of us I think we only lost 1 38 and Shuff had 5, I had 4, Silat had 4, Soulyss had 7 and Murdr had 8 if I remember right, all air to air furballing kills.

How I didn't die I have no idea :)
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2007, 02:40:38 PM »
SRI Scorp...I didn't read it...can you say "wall-O-text"?

Tiger...nothing sweeter than making pie out of cherry pickers. A noble profession. :D
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2007, 02:42:03 PM »
:rofl :lol  guppy i have been there more times then i would like to admit.  when handled right, the 38 is an amazing plane aint it!??

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2007, 02:42:43 PM »
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Sounds like you had a fun time with that 109.  Wish I could get into a few of those kinda fights.  Seems like all I ever find are runners.


Fly a 38.  no one runs from a bomber :rofl
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2007, 02:44:04 PM »
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SRI Scorp...I didn't read it...can you say "wall-O-text"?

Tiger...nothing sweeter than making pie out of cherry pickers. A noble profession. :D


mmm cherry pie
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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2007, 02:58:41 PM »
My greatest engagement...

I made if off the field without getting vulched..  

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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2007, 03:11:49 PM »
Greatest engagement?

Well, definitely not to the ex.

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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2007, 03:42:25 PM »
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Had one of those fights a couple weeks ago.  Soulyss, Shuffler, Silat, Murdr and I were up late in the evening and headed for the big red dar bar on the middle island.

I was in my 38G while the others were in Js and Ls.  We waded into a sea of red and I ended up on the deck turning with a N1K, Spit 16, LA7 and a 51 among others.  I was sure i was dead, but the old 38G was working as advertised as we turned and burned.  I augered the 51, and shot down the Spit, LA and N1K, all while hanging on full flaps and stalling out.  I recovered litterally 50 feet up and headed for home surprised I was still flying.

Of the 5 of us I think we only lost 1 38 and Shuff had 5, I had 4, Silat had 4, Soulyss had 7 and Murdr had 8 if I remember right, all air to air furballing kills.

How I didn't die I have no idea :)



Had a flight like that the other night when I was flying with you, Shuffler and BatfinkV.  Great fun.


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« Reply #12 on: September 19, 2007, 03:56:56 PM »
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Had one of those fights a couple weeks ago.  Soulyss, Shuffler, Silat, Murdr and I were up late in the evening and headed for the big red dar bar on the middle island.

I was in my 38G while the others were in Js and Ls.  We waded into a sea of red and I ended up on the deck turning with a N1K, Spit 16, LA7 and a 51 among others.  I was sure i was dead, but the old 38G was working as advertised as we turned and burned.  I augered the 51, and shot down the Spit, LA and N1K, all while hanging on full flaps and stalling out.  I recovered litterally 50 feet up and headed for home surprised I was still flying.

Of the 5 of us I think we only lost 1 38 and Shuff had 5, I had 4, Silat had 4, Soulyss had 7 and Murdr had 8 if I remember right, all air to air furballing kills.

How I didn't die I have no idea :)


Is this not illegal?  I mean all you guys flying together in 38s?  I'm glad I didn't stumble into you.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2007, 04:08:10 PM »
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Is this not illegal?  I mean all you guys flying together in 38s?  I'm glad I didn't stumble into you.

It's hard to get a kill on S.A.P.P. nights. These bastages killem faster than you can switch targets.:furious :furious :D



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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2007, 04:15:12 PM »
My most recent good engagement:
2 P51s from the 4th vs Me and Kjetil (80th)
P51s started with alt but lost it trying to set us up. A P51 dove on Kjetil and I went after that P51, Kjetil evaded and the second P51 went after me. Kjetil went after the second P51. I finally caught up to the first P51 but the second P51 was gaining on me so I broke off. Kjetil switched to the first P51 and I switched to the second. Good wingman tactics by the P51s and 80th. Eventually I shot down one of the P51s so the other P51 high tailed it back to land.
At that point a higher spit8 and P38 engaged us. I took the spit8 out quickly and Kjetil was soon on the P38, soon after Chanzz engaged me in his yak9u. He started on my 6 and got my oil leaking, and after some barrel rolling/scissors-like manouvers I ended up getting convergence on Chanzz's wingroot.