Author Topic: Don't Tazer Me! (Read 2031 times)

Maverick · « **Reply #45 on:** September 21, 2007, 01:47:17 PM »

Goaly,

Not having ever done the job has never stopped fishu's expertise in it. He has no idea that classroom and real world differ in scope as well as degree. It allows him to render criticism of the performance of others from a lofty position of second, third and fourth hand "knowledge". He's not the only one either unfortunately. That's one of the things that polarize threads that have a LEO theme.

G0ALY · « **Reply #46 on:** September 21, 2007, 01:48:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
I'm not into the profession.

Enough said.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #47 on:** September 21, 2007, 01:50:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
I'm not into the profession. The guys who I know definitely could do it. If you can't do it, then you should learn the proper techniques or pay attention at the class.

The proper technique is to the use the taser. Man-handling suspects or beating them into submission is not an approved technique (anymore). There is too great a risk of injury to the arrestee or the officer. We live in a litigious society in case you had not heard.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #48 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:20:18 PM »

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Agh? Seven ppl out of 50 had been to the mic until this numbnut jumped the line and took over the mic from the kid who had 'the floor'. He was the only one out of the 50 who could not abide by the rules.

He had a chance to go peacefully but continued to struggle with the cops. Be thankful one of the cops did not lose their gun and ended up in this numbnut's hand. The tazer put an end to any escalation.

Read the eye witness account posted.

Right then and there he should have been given the boot, but no, Kerry lets him spout off.

Dont have to read it. I saw the film. Kerry called on him specificaly to speak. Maybe he did cut ahead in line. but if so. Then why did the police not stop him sooner. Like before he had a chance to speak.

The way its reported. he jumped ahead in line and just started speaking. If you look at the film its obvious he not only didnt just start speaking but was called upon by Kerry to speak

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #49 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:24:48 PM »

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Originally posted by myelo
He was arrested for inciting a riot and disrupting a school function. He was charged with resisting arrest and disturbing the peace.

I can buy into disrupting a school function.
But inciting a riot is far fetched at best.

myelo · « **Reply #50 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:28:07 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I can buy into disrupting a school function.
But inciting a riot is far fetched at best.

Just telling you what the report said.

Don't flame me bro'

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #51 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:28:10 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
it was a Q & A forum, he tried to turn it into his own soapbox agenda.

i think his major problem is that he did not think that Kerry was liberal enough.

But you have to understand, the kid is only a journalism major, so he is not the brightest bulb on the tree.

Ahhh
the next Dan Rather

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #52 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:32:58 PM »

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Originally posted by myelo
Just telling you what the report said.

Don't flame me bro'

Actually I was only commenting on it.
Sorry if it came off as a flame as that was not my intent.

C'mon man. You know me.
When I flame I use a blowtorch.
Not a match

Slash27 · « **Reply #53 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:36:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy
I'm just trying to figure out what you think is being omitted. You take a pretty broad snipe and I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.

-Sik

People who are posting that he was not resisiting and was just trying to ask a question.

Slash27 · « **Reply #54 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:37:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
The proper technique is to the use the taser. Man-handling suspects or beating them into submission is not an approved technique (anymore). There is too great a risk of injury to the arrestee or the officer. We live in a litigious society in case you had not heard.

Period, the end.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #55 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:43:49 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Dont have to read it. I saw the film. Kerry called on him specificaly to speak. Maybe he did cut ahead in line. but if so. Then why did the police not stop him sooner. Like before he had a chance to speak.

The way its reported. he jumped ahead in line and just started speaking. If you look at the film its obvious he not only didnt just start speaking but was called upon by Kerry to speak

The videos start after he had already "barged" up front (using Kerry's term) disrupted the discussion, interrupted the person who was asking a question, and would only shut up after Kerry agreed to take a question of his when Kerry was done (even though the moderator had already taken the last question and the police had already asked Meyer to leave). That is why you see Kerry specifically call on him at the beginning of the video. Google some first-hand accounts of what happened.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #56 on:** September 21, 2007, 03:56:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
The proper technique is to the use the taser. Man-handling suspects or beating them into submission is not an approved technique (anymore). There is too great a risk of injury to the arrestee or the officer. We live in a litigious society in case you had not heard.

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Originally posted by Slash27
Period, the end.

Nope

IMO Tazing is the same as beating someone into submission.
And many of the same risks are at hand. Including neological disorders as well as death. Can you say ventricular fibrillation?

Some excerpts form an article..

"Taser’s lawsuits include cases against medical examiners in Indiana and Ohio who cited Taser-induced electrical shocks as the cause of death. But perhaps most striking is the case of James Ruggieri. In early 2006, Ruggieri published an article in the peer-reviewed Journal of the National Academy of Forensic Engineers. The study, “one of the few scientific studies of Taser’s electric jolt in which the company did not participate,” as The Arizona Republic put it, concluded that Tasers were far more powerful than the company acknowledged and that the devices are capable of causing fatal heart rhythms.

Not taking the criticism lightly, the company sued Ruggieri for defamation, claiming he lacked the expertise to make such judgments, even though his story passed through the rigors of the peer-review screening process

While the number of completely independent studies on the dangers of Tasers is limited, some of the ones that do exist suggest they are anything but harmless — particularly in regards to their effects on the heart and the nervous system.

And then there are the effects of Tasers on the human brain and nervous system. Although there is very little research on this, studies have been conducted examining the effects of electrical shocks that are virtually identical to the ones delivered by Tasers. These studies suggest such shocks can cause serious, and potentialy long-term, damage to cognition and the central nervous system."

In its entirety here.

http://crunchgear.com/2007/03/07/a-crunchgear-investigation-the-trouble-with-tasers-what-the-manufacturer-doesnt-want-you-to-know/

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #57 on:** September 21, 2007, 04:00:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
The videos start after he had already "barged" up front (using Kerry's term) disrupted the discussion, interrupted the person who was asking a question, and would only shut up after Kerry agreed to take a question of his when Kerry was done (even though the moderator had already taken the last question and the police had already asked Meyer to leave). That is why you see Kerry specifically call on him at the beginning of the video. Google some first-hand accounts of what happened.

Odd. The video I saw showed Kerry finish up a question on his right. then turning to the left and tell him he was next.
At which point he thanked Kerry for his time.

IF it happend the way you say.
Why did the cops not stop him and escort him out before he had a chance to speak. The are clearly standing around doing nothing untill the mic was turned off

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #58 on:** September 21, 2007, 04:06:27 PM »

"Andrew spoke up after the Dean of International Affairs had stated final question. The final question was being asked about Israel, and then Andrew got on the mic on the other side of the room, noting he was next on the mic, and then proceeded to tell Kerry that its not fair not to be able to ask more questions after listening to him for an hour, and the Dean exclusively asking Kerry questions for another 45 minutes, leaving students 25 minutes to ask questions. At that point, the officers try to subdue him, but Kerry sternly told the police officers to back down. Kerry then asked Meyer if he can finish the other question and then proceed to his. Meyer consented. After the last question was answered, Kerry asked Meyer, what is your question. Then you enter the video that has been circulating around"

From Ben Omar, who states he was sitting in the back rows.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #59 on:** September 21, 2007, 04:12:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
"Andrew spoke up after the Dean of International Affairs had stated final question. The final question was being asked about Israel, and then Andrew got on the mic on the other side of the room, noting he was next on the mic, and then proceeded to tell Kerry that its not fair not to be able to ask more questions after listening to him for an hour, and the Dean exclusively asking Kerry questions for another 45 minutes, leaving students 25 minutes to ask questions. At that point, the officers try to subdue him, but Kerry sternly told the police officers to back down. Kerry then asked Meyer if he can finish the other question and then proceed to his. Meyer consented. After the last question was answered, Kerry asked Meyer, what is your question. Then you enter the video that has been circulating around"

From Ben Omar, who states he was sitting in the back rows.

ahhh ok. that explains that then. which was one of my original questions at the start of the thread when I commented that something didnt seem kosher.

TY for clarifying that.

But like I also said. The way its being reported. and when they show on the video dont seem the same