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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2007, 11:49:26 AM »
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you sir are correct about some things but totally wrong about others, A: iranians do hate jews, jews that reamin in iran are jailed and or killed, i dare any jew to walk the streets with a star of david around thier neck.  


Your sources, please?

Just try to find the numbers of Iranian Jewish population.

Iran have always been a country of ethnical and religious diversity.

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B: the "israeli" nazis where actually all russians playing the poor imigrent role, guess what we have hundreds of thousand russian non jewish immigrants that falsify thier papers to make them seem jewish.  


Falisifying papers to move to Israel?! What I see now is many Jewish families coming back to Russia from Israel and even more secure and stable countries like the US. That poor "nazi" morons are not even from Russia, they are from "former Soviet republics".

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C: the president of iran made a direct threat to erase israel of the map(not something new:rolleyes: )


I see such tricks with translations all the time when Russian texts are translated. All he said was that he believes that Israel will disappear sooner or later. I don't share this point of view, but there is a certain difference, isn't it? I have no reasons to doubt Babek's words, just because I always see how such things are done with my country. And, surely, the same trick is sometimes used in Russian media when quoting English sources. So it goes.

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D: You are speaking from the exterior as i see by your location what is your knowledge of inter iranian politics that you can give such detail about how he is losing the iranian public,  by the videos i have seen of the rallys he has held he is definatly not losing them.


AFAIK Babek has a family in Iran. He is probably the best unbiased source of information on Iranian affairs here.

Talking to people who visited Iran recently I made up a picture completely different from what you guys are fed. It's probably just as wrong as what 90% of Western people think of USSR/Russia.

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« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2007, 12:26:16 PM »





The Jewish population in Iran is the second largest in the Middle-East, after Israel. One of Iran's MP's (Minister of Parliament) is Jewish. Ahmadinejad has never said that the Holocaust never took place. Ahmadinejad has never said that the Jewish people should be destroyed or anything similar. The state of Israel on the other hand...

The people telling you that Ahmadinejad says all these things are the same people that are telling you that Bush said "Saddam killed Mandela" (when it was obvious that it was a metaphor). Why do you believe them?

Because you want to.

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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2007, 12:31:53 PM »
Oh and on topic: Yes I agree. Move the UN out of the USA; it has no business being there at all. You can't have NATO though.

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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2007, 12:41:08 PM »
Russia is a vacuum wrapped in a nullity inside an abyss... thats it in a nutshell Boroda.

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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2007, 12:48:19 PM »
1st: I am an iranian and proud to be one. To say "THE" iranians hate jews is IMHO an insult for the people of Iran. It is correct that there are some idiots in every nation who mean that they are superior while other are inferior - just because of the color of the skin or the religion or the race or what ever nonsense.

I always considered these humans -(and I dont care which nationality they have) - as a shame for the human kind.

But also we should never make the mistake to say that a whole people of a nation do this or that.

THE iranians surely dont hate the jews. Most of them dont even know jews.

2nd: I live 8 months of the year in Germany and 3-4 in Iran. Some of my family-members live the whole time in iran others live in France, Switzerland or  Canada. And although we are quite unhappy with the actual situation in Iran no one of us think that Iran would ever attack Israel.

As I mentioned Iran is actually not ruled by Mr. Ahmadinedjad but by the Council of the guardians. The member of this Coundil are high ranking mullahs and all corrupt. They want to become richer richer and not endangering their power by some stupid attacks which does not help Iran.

Also it should never be forgotten that there is a tradional enemy of Iran: Most of the arabs define the shi ite iranians as heretics - especially those of Saudi-Arabi but also the sunnite Al Kaida or the sunnite taliban.

Iran is already fighting a bloody guerilla war against the talibans who operate in the iranian eastern province or Belutschistan where an Al Kaida operative coordinates attacks against the shi ite iranians.

Also the Al Kaida tried to start a civil war in the iranian province of Khusistan in west Iran, where the iranian minority of arab heritage live.

So I doubt that Iran, if it really will get nuclear weapons one day, will use them for a suicide attack against Israel. To be honest Israel ist very useful for Iran, because it keeps the arabs busy.

I also have not seen a citation of Mr. Ahmadinejad where he say that Israel or the jews should be erased by the iranians or Iran. Dont misunderstand me - I surely dont like the man or the regime but it is interesting to see how some of his speeches were translated wrong or were interpretated wrong.

Mr. Ahmadinedjad is trying to get the support of the lower castes of the iranian society. And Iran is making a development where you have 2 parts of people. On the one hand the middle und upper classes, living in the large towns and on the other hand the poorer people living on the land.

Mr. Ahmadinedjad had failed in his reform-attempts. The poor people remained poor but he tries to get their support by financial aid. Also he tries to get support from the middle class by trying to raise national feelings.

If he fails with this attempt he will be washed away in the next election.

One last thing, because I am still sorry to read this part "The iranians hate the jews".

One of nephews, living in Iran, got the name "David". The officials tried to convince my brother to select another name, but he insisted.
All members of my direct family line have pre-islamic prenames (mine is Babek or Babak - the spelling depends where the  name is used).
And after the revolution in the early 80ties I was ordered to the officials who wanted that I select another islamic name. I refused and we solved the problem in the classic way: We payed some mullahs and everything was fine.

The iranian way is quite complicated - I know - but at least I can tell you that iranian politic was never stupid. These mullahs are like many little Shahs. They have wealth and power and they want to keep it - not to risk it with a war.

Mr. Ahmadinedjad meanwhile is a man without power. He cant order wars or anything without the confirmation of the Council of the Guardians.

So - and this is my personal hope - I hope that Mr. Ahmadinedjad fails on raising support for his goals and that we change Iran to a democracy like the iranians nearly managed under Mr. Mossadegh 50 years ago.

Greetings to Israel with best wishes

Babek

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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2007, 03:37:07 PM »
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soviet are you crazy?

how would you know how many nukes israel has got cause i can tell you your wrong....

Iran is massive and has a massive military he wants to wipe my country off the face of the earth, he can.  All of or skilled military wont help against his numbers. he will attack with nukes first, and that will be world war 3.  Im sorry but your the one in need of a history lesson


All I have to say is.  I do not support one more American life or dollar spent in defense of your country.  Take care of yourself.  You have a military, you have a nuclear arsenal, if you have a problem with a nation handle it yourself.  Stop leeching off my country.

Oh and to you big, I guess I'll have to tell my Jewish friends I'm a Jew hater now because you said I hate Jews.  That must make it true

[EDIT] Stop having this knee-jerk "Anti-Semitism!" reaction anytime someone doesn't stand in support for the state of Israel.  Wake up, there are Americans who do not support our constant funding and undying support of Israel, no matter what they do.  We should defend only OUR nation and our people.  It is not our duty to police the world.  George W. Bush is not the leader of the world, you need to respect other nation's rights to sovereignty.
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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2007, 03:41:30 PM »
Oh and to those of you who think we've been fighting the "War on Terror" correctly, keep supporting it.  All you're doing is making this country more and more hated around the world, creating more terrorists every day.  Not to mention that you're bankrupting our country.  Congratulations.  Our current government is apparently great at assessing a threat, especially when it comes from WMDs, look at how well well they assessed Iraq... LOL

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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2007, 10:05:42 PM »
Zionist=Jews

and you dotn care if they are killed

im sure all your"jew" friends beleive they should al lleave isreal..
.uh-huh..pffft

and stop crying about wmds..you sound like liek typical commies in thsi country

they Violated the cease fire..many may times...oh but thats right, the limp wristed folks just bend over

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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2007, 03:16:46 AM »
Babek just nailed this thread.
War! Never been so much fun. War! Never been so much fun! Go to your brother, Kill him with your gun, Leave him lying in his uniform, Dying in the sun.

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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2007, 03:21:47 AM »
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Babek just nailed this thread.


I agree. The beauty of the internet rears its head once again. Thanks Babek.
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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2007, 03:22:07 AM »
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Zionist=Jews

and you dotn care if they are killed

im sure all your"jew" friends beleive they should al lleave isreal..
.uh-huh..pffft

and stop crying about wmds..you sound like liek typical commies in thsi country

they Violated the cease fire..many may times...oh but thats right, the limp wristed folks just bend over


Get your facts straight.

Zionism is defined as "A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel."

And I'm not going to stop about the WMDs, stop changing the reason we went to war.  First it's WMDs, and when they're not found it's something about a cease fire, give me a break.  Iraq posed no threat to us.  Go enlist if you love this war so much.

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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2007, 06:48:26 AM »
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Russia is a vacuum wrapped in a nullity inside an abyss... thats it in a nutshell Boroda.


Thank you! Please keep sharing your wisdoms with us!

Surely, a city where I live, only about 900 years old, about 15 million people, is nothing but a "vacuum" compared to your mid-West village that you probably call "town" by some strange mistake.

It's sooo funny to see people who always "know better", building their opinions on TV propaganda refracted by the load of prejudices and myths in their interaurial gangle.

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« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2007, 09:51:53 AM »
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Zionist=Jews

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« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2007, 12:34:23 PM »
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Surely, a city where I live, only about 900 years old, about 15 million people, is nothing but a "vacuum" compared to your mid-West village that you probably call "town" by some strange mistake.

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Well wtf are "towns" supposed to be called?

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« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2007, 12:35:18 PM »
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1st: I am an iranian and proud to be one. To say "THE" iranians hate jews is IMHO an insult for the people of Iran. It is correct that there are some idiots in every nation who mean that they are superior while other are inferior - just because of the color of the skin or the religion or the race or what ever nonsense.

I always considered these humans -(and I dont care which nationality they have) - as a shame for the human kind.

But also we should never make the mistake to say that a whole people of a nation do this or that.

THE iranians surely dont hate the jews. Most of them dont even know jews.

2nd: I live 8 months of the year in Germany and 3-4 in Iran. Some of my family-members live the whole time in iran others live in France, Switzerland or  Canada. And although we are quite unhappy with the actual situation in Iran no one of us think that Iran would ever attack Israel.

As I mentioned Iran is actually not ruled by Mr. Ahmadinedjad but by the Council of the guardians. The member of this Coundil are high ranking mullahs and all corrupt. They want to become richer richer and not endangering their power by some stupid attacks which does not help Iran.

Also it should never be forgotten that there is a tradional enemy of Iran: Most of the arabs define the shi ite iranians as heretics - especially those of Saudi-Arabi but also the sunnite Al Kaida or the sunnite taliban.

Iran is already fighting a bloody guerilla war against the talibans who operate in the iranian eastern province or Belutschistan where an Al Kaida operative coordinates attacks against the shi ite iranians.

Also the Al Kaida tried to start a civil war in the iranian province of Khusistan in west Iran, where the iranian minority of arab heritage live.

So I doubt that Iran, if it really will get nuclear weapons one day, will use them for a suicide attack against Israel. To be honest Israel ist very useful for Iran, because it keeps the arabs busy.

I also have not seen a citation of Mr. Ahmadinejad where he say that Israel or the jews should be erased by the iranians or Iran. Dont misunderstand me - I surely dont like the man or the regime but it is interesting to see how some of his speeches were translated wrong or were interpretated wrong.

Mr. Ahmadinedjad is trying to get the support of the lower castes of the iranian society. And Iran is making a development where you have 2 parts of people. On the one hand the middle und upper classes, living in the large towns and on the other hand the poorer people living on the land.

Mr. Ahmadinedjad had failed in his reform-attempts. The poor people remained poor but he tries to get their support by financial aid. Also he tries to get support from the middle class by trying to raise national feelings.

If he fails with this attempt he will be washed away in the next election.

One last thing, because I am still sorry to read this part "The iranians hate the jews".

One of nephews, living in Iran, got the name "David". The officials tried to convince my brother to select another name, but he insisted.
All members of my direct family line have pre-islamic prenames (mine is Babek or Babak - the spelling depends where the  name is used).
And after the revolution in the early 80ties I was ordered to the officials who wanted that I select another islamic name. I refused and we solved the problem in the classic way: We payed some mullahs and everything was fine.

The iranian way is quite complicated - I know - but at least I can tell you that iranian politic was never stupid. These mullahs are like many little Shahs. They have wealth and power and they want to keep it - not to risk it with a war.

Mr. Ahmadinedjad meanwhile is a man without power. He cant order wars or anything without the confirmation of the Council of the Guardians.

So - and this is my personal hope - I hope that Mr. Ahmadinedjad fails on raising support for his goals and that we change Iran to a democracy like the iranians nearly managed under Mr. Mossadegh 50 years ago.

Greetings to Israel with best wishes

Babek


Thank you for the insight