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« on: September 24, 2007, 10:47:13 AM »
Its a frikin outrage that we allow that madman from Iran entry into the United States for anything other than serving time in a jail cell.

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2007, 11:10:58 AM »
I didn't know we charged him with anything..

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2007, 11:32:29 AM »
I'm all foir getting the UN out of NYC..has nothing to do with Iran.  I'm just
getting frigging tired of getting slammed every time they decide to have their
little BS meetings and close the airspace around NY.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2007, 11:41:58 AM »
What's wrong with the President of Iran coming to the United States?  Just because he gets a lot of bad press doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to come here and address questions the American People may have.  So far all I've seen is a President of Iran that's tried to improve diplomatic relations with the US and resolve its issues through diplomacy.  Instead I see a government and certain radical citizens of this country condemn the man and call him a terrorist because he's trying to use diplomacy.  Do some research.  Should we hate him because he doesn't bend over and do everything we say?  Iran is a soverign nation and doesn't have to take orders from us.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2007, 12:54:36 PM »
The nutcase of Iran does not have the RIGHT to come to the U.S. and do or say anything.

Declaring the Holocaust to be a myth, and calling for the elimination of the Jewish people of Israel, as well as threatening the U.S., is NOT diplomacy.


And yes, we should send the United Notions (I spelled it that way on purpose) to Brussels, or anywhere else, at the earliest possible opportunity.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 01:05:01 PM »
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The nutcase of Iran does not have the RIGHT to come to the U.S. and do or say anything.

Declaring the Holocaust to be a myth, and calling for the elimination of the Jewish people of Israel, as well as threatening the U.S., is NOT diplomacy.


And yes, we should send the United Notions (I spelled it that way on purpose) to Brussels, or anywhere else, at the earliest possible opportunity.


Who cares if he thinks the holocaust is a myth and hates Israel.  He has stated he hates zionism, not Jewish people, those are two totally different things.  There are orthodox jews against Israel and Zionism as they don't see it as part of their faith.  Besides Israel and the United States have no business together, Israel can defend itself, it has over 100 nuclear weapons and doesn't need our help.

If he threatened us that certainly is concerning but by cutting off all ties of diplomacy will just lead to war which we should try to avoid until all other methods are exhausted.

I also favor the US pulling out of the UN and the UN moving overseas.  Part of the reason for our failure is our "entangling alliance" in the UN security council.  Stop wasting American dollars and lives for the benefit of other nations, bring our troops home to America where they belong.

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2007, 01:21:57 PM »
Who cares? I do. I have friends and family who fought against those who perpetrated the Holocaust. To deny the Holocaust happened is to deny their efforts and sacrifices as being worthy. I have friends and relatives with strong attachments to Israel, never mind the fact that Israel is an ally of this nation. So I care. He has ZERO right to be on U.S. soil. And most certainly no right to be any where near the remains of the World Trade Center.

Further, there is little doubt he and his nation support and sponsor terrorism. They specifically support the terrorists causing the problems in Iraq. The party he represents sponsors OPENLY groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. As a supporter and sponsor of terrorism, his presence is completely unacceptable. He is no more welcome here than Hitler would be.

By the way, the dean of Columbia, who invited the nutcase of Iran to speak, refused to allow a U.S. citizen to speak on campus on his opposition to illegal immigration. This same dean also refused to allow an ROTC program at Columbia over the objections of the overwhelming majority of students who voted on the issue.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2007, 01:38:15 PM »
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Who cares? I do. I have friends and family who fought against those who perpetrated the Holocaust. To deny the Holocaust happened is to deny their efforts and sacrifices as being worthy. I have friends and relatives with strong attachments to Israel, never mind the fact that Israel is an ally of this nation. So I care. He has ZERO right to be on U.S. soil. And most certainly no right to be any where near the remains of the World Trade Center.

Further, there is little doubt he and his nation support and sponsor terrorism. They specifically support the terrorists causing the problems in Iraq. The party he represents sponsors OPENLY groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. As a supporter and sponsor of terrorism, his presence is completely unacceptable. He is no more welcome here than Hitler would be.

By the way, the dean of Columbia, who invited the nutcase of Iran to speak, refused to allow a U.S. citizen to speak on campus on his opposition to illegal immigration. This same dean also refused to allow an ROTC program at Columbia over the objections of the overwhelming majority of students who voted on the issue.


You're missing the point, our foreign policy is failing.  It doesn't matter if your friends or your family has strong attachments to Israel.  Nor does it matter if a man refused to respect the sacrifices of those who died fighting the holocaust.  NO FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS.  Thomas Jefferson said this hundreds of years ago, are you doubting his intelligence?  I think his logic and his thoughts matter more to this nation than your friend's or family's love or support for Israel.  They hate us because we support the state of Israel, because we meddle in their affairs.  The more we do it the more we feed the fire.  It's people that want to instill their will on others and force America to support a nation overseas that they like that is leading this nation down a dangerous path.  Every war Israel gets dragged into causes us to get dragged in along with it.  Israel is not the United States of America, their affairs are none of our business.

Let's face it, we didn't have as much dissent against our nation (if any) before we started getting involved in foreign entanglements and started policing the world, calling the shots on how the world should be.  If you want to see an example of neutrality in action look at Switzerland.   What do I know though, I guess it's better if we keep getting dragged into wars that our not any of our business.  I guess it doesn't matter if more American boys and girls have to die for other nations.

And lastly, Columbia University is a private institution.  They have a right to invite or reject anyone from speaking on their campus.  They can't be forced to do so.

[EDIT] Don't think I think Iran's President is some great guy.  He has said a lot of out there stuff but just because he has differing opinions from many world leaders doesn't make him a criminal or doesn't justify his assassination or even, god forbid, war against Iran.  Many people are using the same logic to say that our President, George W. Bush, should be arrested and is a criminal.  It isn't right either way but the bottom line is I respect someone's right to have their own opinion without being oppressed for feeling that way.  No one is forcing you to adopt their opinion.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2007, 01:48:48 PM »
I hate to spoil your little rah rah Iran rant Soviet, but this is the same
guy who encourages the Death to America folks in his
little sandbox.

      Just sometimes, it's not all America's fault.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2007, 01:52:23 PM »
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I hate to spoil your little rah rah Iran rant Soviet, but this is the same
guy who encourages the Death to America folks in his
little sandbox.

      Just sometimes, it's not all America's fault.


Instead of just saying he wants to destroy us why don't you produce some concrete evidence or a strong quote linking us to his "Let us destroy the United States of America" rhetoric.  Remember, dissent is not an attempt to destroy us.  To disagree doesn't mean he's out to kill us.  And by the same token we're encouraging terrorism by keeping a foreign presence in the Middle East.  Doesn't justify any terrorist actions but by staying there we're empowering radicals.  If it wasn't for Israel and our dependence on stability in the Middle East for economic concerns the Middle East would be like Africa, meaning we wouldn't care about it and we wouldn't intervene at all.

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2007, 01:57:03 PM »
Furthermore, the Iranian President is talking out of his ass.  Do you have such little confidence in our own military and their ability to deter any threat from Iran?  Just ignore him, and don't give his bully pulpit any power and his words will be useless.  The more you hate him the stronger he grows, just like when you martyr someone, by hating him so much we give those who hate us the desire to stand behind him and have a leader for their hate.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2007, 06:05:19 PM »
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You're missing the point, our foreign policy is failing.  It doesn't matter if your friends or your family has strong attachments to Israel.  Nor does it matter if a man refused to respect the sacrifices of those who died fighting the holocaust.  NO FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS.  Thomas Jefferson said this hundreds of years ago, are you doubting his intelligence?  I think his logic and his thoughts matter more to this nation than your friend's or family's love or support for Israel.  They hate us because we support the state of Israel, because we meddle in their affairs.  The more we do it the more we feed the fire.  It's people that want to instill their will on others and force America to support a nation overseas that they like that is leading this nation down a dangerous path.  Every war Israel gets dragged into causes us to get dragged in along with it.  Israel is not the United States of America, their affairs are none of our business.

Let's face it, we didn't have as much dissent against our nation (if any) before we started getting involved in foreign entanglements and started policing the world, calling the shots on how the world should be.  If you want to see an example of neutrality in action look at Switzerland.   What do I know though, I guess it's better if we keep getting dragged into wars that our not any of our business.  I guess it doesn't matter if more American boys and girls have to die for other nations.

And lastly, Columbia University is a private institution.  They have a right to invite or reject anyone from speaking on their campus.  They can't be forced to do so.

[EDIT] Don't think I think Iran's President is some great guy.  He has said a lot of out there stuff but just because he has differing opinions from many world leaders doesn't make him a criminal or doesn't justify his assassination or even, god forbid, war against Iran.  Many people are using the same logic to say that our President, George W. Bush, should be arrested and is a criminal.  It isn't right either way but the bottom line is I respect someone's right to have their own opinion without being oppressed for feeling that way.  No one is forcing you to adopt their opinion.



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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2007, 06:20:22 PM »
I have always wondered how much flak the US gets for the UN HQ being there. Given the educational level in 3rd world countries I wonder how many consider the US the enemy by simple confusion with the UN.

IMHO stick the UN in some island somewhere. Peferable at sea level in a hurricane zone (been watching the History Channel stuff on the UN inaction in Rwanda).

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2007, 06:38:34 PM »
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Its a frikin outrage that we allow that madman from Iran entry into the United States for anything other than serving time in a jail cell.


Madman?

So far you guys look not quite sane. Go check your "freedoms" and "liberal values".

This hysteria needs more media coverage in free countries. Russian 1st TV channel reports it only with a small gesture of disappointment.

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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2007, 06:56:45 PM »
russian you are a jew hater..admit it


to spew the .."zion and jews are seprate"..what a bunch of crap

You are hiding behind that "seperate" issue?..Dont be such a coward..and step up..You want jews dead