Al Qaeda lost

[Tango]

How many US casualties were there in 1945? How mnay on D-Day?

I'm sure those soldiers wanted nothing more to be home as well but knew they needed to be there to stop the enemy. Just like the soldiers in the ME do.

[Ripsnort]

Back to the topic:

For those of you Amerihaters...you need to read the whole article.

What’s the most important thing Americans need to know about Iraq that they don’t currently know?” I said.

“That we’re fighting Al Qaeda,” he said without hesitation. “[Abu Musab al] Zarqawi invented Al Qaeda in Iraq. The top leadership outside Iraq squawked and thought it was a bad idea. Then he blew up the Samarra mosque, triggered a civil war, and got the whole world’s attention. Then the Al Qaeda leadership outside dumped huge amounts of money and people and arms into Anbar Province. They poured everything they had into this place. The battle against Americans in Anbar became their most important fight in the world. And they lost.”

[BiGBMAW]

some schmo with a name like soviet?...Gee I wonder.....


there was another reason for wacking saddom...but you wotn mention it ..becuase it doesnt fit your party line feed.....bahhhh bahhhh goes the wittle sheep

[Torque]

Originally posted by EagleDNY
Well, I'm not privy to where the WMDs are now, but these folks could sure prove that they existed:

Iraqi WMDs Anyone

if they weren't DEAD that is.

EagleDNY
$.02

yeah... times were good for saddam back when the neo-cons were his apologists.

[bj229r]

Progression of thread: Leftists:"We are losing we are losing we are losing".... Right-of-center guy shows major point in Iraq where Alqueda tried its best and lost......"We should never have been there.. We should never have been there..We should never have been there.."

And WHO says what our left-tard representatives isn't studied by our enemies:

AHMADINEJAD (via translator):  My creating nonexistent enemies, for example, and an insecure atmosphere, they try to control all in the name of combating insecurity and terrorism.

KERRY July 24th of this year:  The president is trying to scare the American people into believing that Al-Qaeda is the rationale for continuing the war in Iraq.

AHMADINEJAD (via translator):  They do not respect the privacy of their own people.  They tap telephone calls and try to control their people.

Russ Feingold, May 8th, 2006.

FEINGOLD:  The president violating the law by authorizing illegal domestic wiretapping.

AHMADINEJAD (via translator):  Palestine is an old wound, as old as 60 years. For 60 years these people are displaced. For 60 years these people are being killed. For 60 years on a daily basis there are conflict and terror.  For 60 years, innocent women and children are destroyed and killed by helicopters and airplanes that break the house over their heads!

Jimmy Carter on The Tonight Show, December 11th, 2006.
CARTER:  In Palestinian territory, there's horrible persecution of the Palestinians who live on their own land, and they have occupied the land. They have confiscated. They've colonized it, and they've forced Palestinians away from their homes, away from their pastures, away from their fields, cut down their olive trees and severely persecuted the Palestinians.

AHMADINEJAD (via translator):  This is not Guantanamo Bay! This is not a Baghdad prison! This is not a secret prison in Europe.  This is not Abu Ghraib.  This is Iran! I'm duh president of this country!

Senator Durbin, Dick Durbin, floor of the Senate, June 14th, 2005.

DURBIN:  If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others, that had no concern for human beings.  Sadly, that's not the case.  This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their own prisoners.

Ahmadinejad and the Dems seem to have similar goals.....

[LEADPIG]

President Bush and none of the othes claiming there were WMD's in Iraq mislead us. Misleading someone means you know better and did it on purpose. Bush and his cabinet don't know anything, so i can forgive their stupidity. That's intelligence, sometimes your right, sometimes your wrong, but they acted on what they thought they knew. I think there still could be WMD's, i always felt like during the fog of war and when invasion was imminent they could have trucked that stuff outta there. Probably wasn't though. I felt like invading Iraq, in my gut feeling was wrong even with the WMD evidence i still didn't quite believe it.

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by Tango
How many US casualties were there in 1945? How mnay on D-Day?

I'm sure those soldiers wanted nothing more to be home as well but knew they needed to be there to stop the enemy. Just like the soldiers in the ME do.

Us being in Iraq isn't even going to stop the common cold.

WW2 and Iraq are two different kinds of wars. WW2 was a conventional war. This is a guerilla war.

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by BiGBMAW
some schmo with a name like soviet?...Gee I wonder.....


there was another reason for wacking saddom...but you wotn mention it ..becuase it doesnt fit your party line feed.....bahhhh bahhhh goes the wittle sheep

Those that don't want to fight a pointless war are smart. Those that do are stupid.

[Elfie]

You also neglect to mention who gave him those WMDs

No one handed Saddam chemical or biological weapons. Did the US sell Saddam dual-use chemicals. We sure did, and so did a bunch of other countries. The US isn't even at the top of the list of suppliers. The US isn't even the country that sold him the equipment so he could manufacture his own chemicals.

Selling chemicals to Saddam that could be used to make chemical weapons doesn't mean that we sold them to him knowing he would make weapons with them. In fact, as soon as it became known he was using chemical weapons, the US stopped all sales of dual-use chemicals to Iraq. Same thing with biological agents, as soon as it became known Saddam was trying to make biological weapons all dual-use sales stopped.

All of this has been posted on this board before. You can do searches to find the information. You won't though because, for whatever reason, you choose to believe that the US handed him weapons of mass destruction.

[Elfie]

Doesn't make sense. Nor can we prove it's success as no one has even tried to come here, save the War in 1812.

Guess you forgot about the Aleutian Islands in WWII....oops.....

[Dadano]

What the hell is so bad about invading/occupying a country for their resources? We did indeed elect a couple of energy tycoons, what did we expect.

We're simply sustaining our way of life. Good or bad, we're paying the bills. Real simple stuff.

In this light, our occupation of Iraq is totally justified. Saddam was a threat to our way of life (google "saddam euro to dollar" "cheney energy task force"...) and everything is as it ought to be; normal.

[AquaShrimp]

Originally posted by john9001
soviet, can you prove that saddam did not have WMD before the invasion, and that he did not hide them in the desert and/or move them to Syria?

Of course you can't, but you just keep banging that same old drum, no WMD---no WMD---no WMD.

 Yeah we can prove it.  Intell came out after the invasion that Saddam had deceived everyone, including his top generals, that he had nuclear wearpons.

[VOR]

Originally posted by Tango
How important was the Jewish plight for you?

I guess not much.

Not especially. It happened before I was born and I don't personally know any holocaust survivors so it's not much to me besides an historic point of interest.

[lazs2]

I think that we made mistakes but I am certainly not worried about "being lied to about WMD"

As I recall... the sadman had been working on the things every single chance he got... we had to stop his nuke program once earlier and his government had used gas.  

It was... and is... safe to assume that he would not change his stripes... if we knew that he had none... why send inspectors?   that was devilishly clever by Bush eh?   If he had none... why defy the sanctions and not allow the inspections to continue?   Why try so hard to look guilty to the entire world..

Point is.. if he didn't have em... he shoulda just let the inspections continue.

I believe that he probly had some before the inspections but moved em around at first and then probly flat got rid of em or moved em sometime during the inspections.  

I firmly believe that he would do everything in his power to get more the minute he thought he could get away with it... I do believe that he would invade hid neighbors as soon as he could.  

He did all these things.. what about him at the end indicated to you guys that he was a changed man?

Truth is... I never felt threatened by the terrorists.   I don't go to blue cities any more than I have to which is very seldom indeed.   I don't miss the twin towers.

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by LEADPIG
President Bush and none of the othes claiming there were WMD's in Iraq mislead us. Misleading someone means you know better and did it on purpose. Bush and his cabinet don't know anything, so i can forgive their stupidity. That's intelligence, sometimes your right, sometimes your wrong, but they acted on what they thought they knew. I think there still could be WMD's, i always felt like during the fog of war and when invasion was imminent they could have trucked that stuff outta there. Probably wasn't though. I felt like invading Iraq, in my gut feeling was wrong even with the WMD evidence i still didn't quite believe it.

You straddle the fence so much it`s a wonder you haven`t pulled a groin muscle.