Author Topic: Pravda at it again (Read 2462 times)

Angus · « **Reply #45 on:** September 29, 2007, 10:10:52 AM »

Hehe, Boroda:
"the main goal was to keep the country secure from invasions"
One big momma of an invation in 1941, - which one was the closest one before?
Also, after WW2, which bordering country could afford to muster an invasion into the USSR? I mean, since the USSR gobbled up as many of the bordering nations as possible in the first place....
And the military defensive plans as well as emerged invasion plans after WW2? I have not found any yet.

Boroda · « **Reply #46 on:** September 29, 2007, 02:55:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Angus
Hehe, Boroda:
"the main goal was to keep the country secure from invasions"
One big momma of an invation in 1941, - which one was the closest one before?

Imagine USSR not taking so-called "Baltic states" in 1940. It means Germany taking them, starting a war from only 40km from Leningrad.

Before that - look how much we lost in WWI, in 1905, before that we had a full-scale invasion in 1854, plus many small wars securing our borders in Central Asia after Crimean (Eastern) war. We had a full-scale almost "total" wars every 50 years or so. My Mother was born in 1945, a first generation not to see wars in their lifetime...

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Originally posted by Angus
Also, after WW2, which bordering country could afford to muster an invasion into the USSR? I mean, since the USSR gobbled up as many of the bordering nations as possible in the first place....
And the military defensive plans as well as emerged invasion plans after WW2? I have not found any yet.

For the first time we had a buffer line between our country and the enemy. And about attack plans - the most famous was "Drop Shot". It meant killing at least 10 million Soviet civilians in a first week of hostilities. It was de-classified in 1978.

Given the starting conditions USSR could never win over the Western side. Soviet leadership understood it very well. It was a miracle that we managed to stand against them for 50 years.

Now Western politicians follow what was said by mrs. Thatcher back in the late 80s, that Russia needs only 30 million people to secure oil fields and pipelines, others have to disappear. It's a new plan "Ost"... I we didn't have our Strategic Missile Corps - they'll burn us immediately, without any doubts. Even here you can see how deep the hatred is imprinted...

Thanks for a hijack

Boroda · « **Reply #47 on:** September 29, 2007, 02:58:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Pravda is pretty much the Russian equivalent to "The Onion". No truths exposed, but a lot of funny BS made up for your amusement.

NYT - the dummies guide to bias.

It's not Pravda, it's pravda.ru

Don't you guys have tabloids?

Unfortunately we don't have anything like the Onion in .ru net.

All the satire looks like it's sponsored by political parties, may they rot in hell!...

Dago · « **Reply #48 on:** September 29, 2007, 03:03:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
It's not Pravda, it's pravda.ru

Don't you guys have tabloids?

Unfortunately we don't have anything like the Onion in .ru net. All the satire looks like it's sponsored by political parties, may they rot in hell!...

Pravda/Pravda.ru, same thing when it comes to reporting truth, or untruth as the case may be.

Angus · « **Reply #49 on:** September 30, 2007, 02:15:28 AM »

Pravda means "truth" in Russian, so it's a joke in the first place

Anyway, this:

"For the first time we had a buffer line between our country and the enemy"

Buffer line is a cute way to put a new name onto countries that in many cases got swamped and sucked out by the old USSR. And of course very necessary by a country that never got conquered.....
Now, - the Baltics, Poland as well as E-Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, then USSR allied Romania, Hungary, and some spungy Balcans, oops you're down to the Black sea already, from the Baltic. That leaves only neutral Sweden as an untouching buffer, Finland however is a tougher one, and there is a slight geographical touch with Norway....
And surely, back in WW2, it was necessary to gobble up the Baltics. Would never have been rational to have them allied, skip fighting the Fins (which was a great squander of resources) as well as feeding the Nazi war machine on raw materials. Or what enemy was there? The British maybe, but stuck with Germany between.

Always think the USSR "defense" plan was a bit rude, that's all