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Offline john9001

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« Reply #105 on: September 28, 2007, 06:28:32 PM »
oooooo "secret memo"
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« Reply #106 on: September 28, 2007, 09:57:13 PM »
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However? No, there is no however. The US would likely have left him alone if not for honoring his alliance with Japan and declaring war on our country. We were quite content to sit back and mind our own military business (and let Europe handle Europe's problems) until then. That's a popular libertarian concept, by the way. ;)  


Maybe you should go and read some history books. It was agreed that the Germans were the biggest threat and is why more resources were put into finishing there first.

As for the "popular libertarian concept", popular with whom? :rofl
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« Reply #107 on: September 29, 2007, 04:54:56 AM »
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You can disagree with Bush's war policy, if you must, but is making mistakes during war an impeachable offense?  I think not, else the government would have to fire every general involved in the conflict.


I have a problem with any president who is so unintelligent that he claims such a war will take a matter of months. It's been four years and counting. If you think this war is going to wipe out terrorism your dead wrong. I was quite suspicious when Bush all of a sudden started talking about Iraq like it was the most important thing in his life. I have a problem with a president that takes us on so many rides that he doesn't seem to know where he's going himself.  A man that lands on an aircraft carrier and anounces the main ground offensive is over. Meanwhile i watched that and i knew it was not. A man that has so little common sense to see where he's going and what he's started in respect to the problems he had in the first place. This president has lead us down so many different paths and then denied them. All these costly mistakes at the expense of the fighting man. I can't stomach that ammount of stupidity. These mistakes as you call them, are not mere wartime mistakes, but are the blunders of man too feeble in mind to hold the job he now has.

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For those who believe that establishing a viable democratic government in Iraq is taking too long, consider this:  the time that elapsed between the signing of the Declaration of Independence and the establishment of a stable government under the Constitution was eleven years.  

We are too impatient, wanting instant results and a swift resolution to knotty and complex problems.  Some things simply cannot be solved in a year or two.


Are you content to have this president announcing goals and then extending them repeatedly, as to show you that he himself doesn't know what he's doing. I have no patience for that. A democratic government in Iraq will never happen, can you honestly look at Iraq with all it's religiuos, social, and cultural fanatism, and think a democratic government will hold together two seconds after it's installed, if it's installed. If not then our soldiers have been wasting there lives for four years. Installing governments for other countries should not be in our repetoire. Some things are not worth starting or continuing. Beating your head into a wall gets you nowhere. A smarter more forethinking president should have known that. I am not content to wander the desert as the lead camel behind a guy who takes us to every mirage and tells us it's water. To follow a guy like that you'd have to be stupid or a masochist.  I don't want instant results, i want results from a leader who seem's to know what he's doing and what he's causing and what he's getting us into and what we'll achieve from it. I want efficiency not blatant wasted motion.

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As Thomas Friedman of the New York Times said, after visiting the mass graves of Saddam's victims, the presence of wmds was no longer necessary to convince him that the overthrow of Saddam was justified.

I, for one agree with that, and will never apologize for taking him down.



Read this America..You are not your brothers keeper, you are not the worlds police, you are the government representing America no one else. Not every country wants to be like you. It is not your business to go around solving everyones problems. While human atrocities are regretable it is not up to us to stick our nose in something unless it effects us. America respect other countries enough to let them handle their own business, unless asked. They will respect you back.

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« Reply #108 on: September 29, 2007, 07:50:05 AM »
Lead, that is exactly why nothing is being done about Darfur;  complacent westerners don't seem to know that the answer to the question "Am I my brother's keeper?" is supposed to be "Yes."

Many of the things said in your reply were also said in the 1940s:  the mess in Europe, according to some, was none of our business;  American blood shouldn't be shed in a European war that does not concern us.

To a great extent, the responsibility for the events that took place in Europe, the murder, rapine, and genocide, must be laid at our own doorstep.  Complacency and an isolationist sentiment kept us from becoming involved in those events until it was almost too late.

The history of warfare shows that, when the bullets begin to fly, the best laid plans often go astray.  If you actually believed that the Iraq war would be over in a matter of weeks, and that no long-term problems would crop up during the occupation, then you were deluding yourself.  Ben Laden is right, the typical modern American, who believes in quick results, hasn't the internal fortitude for sustained struggle.

Personally, I believe that much of the criticism of the war stems from partisan political rancor that has been festering and growing since the election of 2000, and is becoming so bitter and acrimonious that it may leave the government permanently divided.

This criticism, while not totally unjustified, at least in terms of the government's lack of foresight about postwar problems, is often blind and unfair.  Despite recent revelations that the corner has been turned in the fight against Al Qaeda insurgents in Iraq, the partisan critics continue to demand that we pull out and cut the Iraqis adrift.

By the by, don't you think it's a bit arrogant to declare that the Iraqis would never be able to make a democracy work?  Such an attitude implies that they are, as a people, somehow unequal to the task of establishing a democratic government.  Sure, they're having more than their fair share of problems, but who are you to assume that they don't have what it takes, and are, therefore, undeserving of our time, wealth, blood, and respect?

If Americans are going to be this divided every single time that our forces are committed to a fight in a distant land then we should disband our military and withdraw entirely from any involvement in international events.

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« Reply #109 on: September 29, 2007, 09:34:30 AM »
lead.... and I have a problem with you constantly saying how "unintelligent" anyone who doesn't agree with you is... on just about anything... it comes of as weak.. as if you have nothing better.

And.. why not?  you never have any answers... just like xmarine.. (another man of leisure)... you sit and criticize... it comes off like whining to me.   Give us some real answers... tell us where Petraous is wrong...  show us how to get out without making things worse.

Ok...you guys hate Bush and wish we had not got involved... we get it.   Course... if he had done nothing and the lefty news kept showing poor iraqis being slaughtered or if a few of your precious blue cities had been vaporized...

Imagine the whining then!  you would be crying like babies about how Bush didn't do enough to make all the taxi riding blue city commies safer... how he didn't "care" or was toooooo stupid to see the threat...

Either way.. all you guys seem good for is sitting around and whining.  

I cant take whiners seriously...  not till you come up with some solutions that make sense...

You don't like Bush or the war... we get it.   There are(gasp) mistakes being made in a war... whouda thunk?

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« Reply #110 on: September 29, 2007, 09:57:12 AM »
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Maybe you should go and read some history books.


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« Reply #111 on: September 30, 2007, 02:14:45 PM »
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oooooo "secret memo"
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Bush kept it secret knowing that scores of Springer fan voters are scared of the word "secret".

http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/2007/09/30/4537867-sun.html
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=15&entry_id=20648
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/iraq/2003906568_iraq27.html

Maybe it's just me, but it seems a bit odd Bush went to war to replace a guy who was willing to replace himself. But I do really dig the Bush excuse: "He seems to have indicated he would be open to exile if they would let him take $1 billion and all the information he wants on weapons of mass destruction."

I'm real sure Saddam said "I must be allowed to all the weapon of mass destruction information I want!!!" .. as if Saddam hadn't had years to hide all his 'information' on a magic device called a hard drive.

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« Reply #112 on: October 01, 2007, 07:37:00 AM »
Guess I'm not a conspiracist. I don't think the secret letter that leaked to spain was real. Actually, and I'm going from memory, I think it was debunked shortly after it came out.

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