Author Topic: Typhoon vs. FW-190 performance (Read 2364 times)

toonces3 · « **on:** September 30, 2007, 11:47:54 AM »

Hi all,
Just lately, the last few days, I've been making a study of the Typhoon. From what I've read, both online and in books, the Typhoon really suffers used in the air to air role, but excels at air to ground.

Even though I fly in attack scoring mode, and am on the lookout for GV's, I find myself gravitating to air-air anyway because I enjoy it more.

In terms of flying air-air, the FW-190A5, for example, has a ENY of 25, the Dora has ENY of 15, yet the Tyhpoon has ENY of 10. Assuming that ENY is somehow tied to performance, I'm wondering how the Typhoon outperforms the 190.

In my limited opinion, the Typhoon is hard to dogfight in. Even Soda's page basically says that once you're not supersonic in the Typhoon, defensively you're dead meat. Yet, in an A5, you have alot of defensive opportunities- excellent roll, decent acceleration, and pretty good top end speed. The D9 expands upon these attributes, although I find the A5 more nimble.

So, my question, then, is why the discrepancy between the ENY numbers, and how, if in any way, is the Typhoon better at air-air than the 190 series.

Hope this question makes sense.
See ya,
Toonces

morfiend · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2007, 12:54:03 PM »

4 hispano's:aok

bj229r · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2007, 01:04:39 PM »

Rolls like crap, but lotta guys manage to use the rudder to get it to be useful enough to put the hizookas on stuff, also seems to do ok slow

evenhaim · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2007, 04:03:51 PM »

eny doesnt seem to equal only a 2 a performence. It has awsome a2g ability and has 4 hizookas, if eny= performence then the dora should have a 5 eny.

bj229r · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2007, 05:36:51 PM »

For whatever reason, all LW rides saves 262/163 are high eny....lowest is 15 i think (as opposed to P47n, which is 5:furious )

splitatom · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:39:51 PM »

envy has to do with how much the plane is used i dont know how it exactly works but how i kno is one is the la 7 it always has an envy of 5

toonces3 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:51:10 PM »

I thought the hispanos might have something to do with it, because the Typhoon is the first plane I've successfully snapshot planes in half with.

Twice the other night I took a very high deflection crossing shot, and basically blew the plane right in half. Very nice!

I am very, very reluctant to engage in any sort energy spending fight with it though, as once the speed is gone, I really feel vulnerable. I'm comfortable getting the 190 slow, although I prefer not to, because it can still roll, the A5 can turn somewhat, and they all build back their energy fairly quickly (compared to a Typhoon for sure).

The ENY should have something to do with relative performance, I would think. I'm not sure how the Typhoon stacks up with the 190 series in air to ground. I'm pretty sure a few of the 190's can lug around some bombs and rockets.

The 5 ENY for the P47N also makes no sense to me whatsoever, but that's for another thread...

Bruv119 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 01, 2007, 01:30:43 AM »

When flying the typhoon on the edge you have to be a man and wrestle with it. You have to be the boss of this plane or she wont be any good for you. The rudder is great for bleeding energy and the guns obviously kill in an instant.

It will turn, but not sustained turns kinda like the 190's but will still outurn them.

In defensive moves you have to smash the rudder and she slows real good many a time have LA7's tried to chase me after murdering lots of his friends for him to go whistling by and then kill him too

I think the doras ENY value should match the Typhoon.

bozon · « **Reply #8 on:** October 01, 2007, 05:25:38 AM »

The Typhoon in A2A is somewhat similar to the 190D - a terrific cherry picker.

ENY has little to do with performance. It has to do with how unbalancing the plane is. The typhoon, apart from its role as a cherry picker, is also one of the prime suicide base porkers. Giving it low ENY means that you get more perks for shooting it down before/after it porked the ordnance/troops at your base and it get less perks for cherry picking you and running away to land it.

Now the only question that remains is what are perk points good for?

The P47N has low ENY due to being a very late war plane (though its numbers were not so small) that served only in the PTO. Not that it really matters since in AH environment it is not really better than the D models and in many cases it is actually worse. If you find someone to fight you at 30k, then it may justify its ENY based on performance. That is my opinion of course. The true ENY criterion is HT's mood.

whels · « **Reply #9 on:** October 01, 2007, 12:14:21 PM »

when HTC produces a new plane. Its ENY is given on relative performance
vs the plane set and its combat year contemporaries.

Then when it gets used in the arena or not used, the ENY is adjusted.
for the Typhoon, its current eny is based on 4 Hispano cannons, its fairly
fast, and ALOT and i mean Alot of people fly it. so its ENY has been lowered since it came out. mainly its current ENY is because of MA usage.

Whels

humble · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2007, 01:27:23 PM »

ENY is based on usage and performance in AH....which isnt quite the same as historical reality.

If you look at the last tour the tiffie beats the 190 across all models in air to air. It also beats the F4U overall, the P-51 overall, the P-47 overall and the P-38 overall as well as the La-7 and the la-5. Remember the hurricane has an ENY of 10 for the same reason.

The secret to the Tiffie is simple...its not a dog fighter its a drive by shooting in progress. It's good E fighter and it'll go 270 degrees at speed with anything...but its not a plane you can yank around in traffic. now you can bleed E very quickly and if you've got spacing you can suprise a guy easily....but getting caught neg-e is tough to overcome...

toonces3 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2007, 02:02:57 PM »

Humble (and others),
That is very interesting about ENY, and about the Tyhpoon stats vs. other aircraft.

I constantly see folks landing kills in the Typh, and I upped one a few months ago for the first time. I thought, "What an absolute DOG!" and didn't look back.

The other night I was bored, and decided to try something different and took the Typhoon up. I was surprised to find that I could get, and land, kills in the MA as long as I didn't slow down to fight. Of course, this isn't going to win alot of friends in the MA, but the lethality of the plane was surprising given how poor of a dogfighter is seems on paper. I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't do it myself.

I compare it to the 190 because the D9 is just about as fast as the Typh, but can perform better than it air to air. My first thought, then, is that its
ENY should be lower than the D9. Air to ground notwithstanding.

I find myself enjoying the plane for a completely illogical reason- it looks so freaking cool! Stupid, I know, but there it is.

Anyway, very interesting discussion guys. I'm learning alot.

~~Toonces~~

Xasthur · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2007, 09:10:55 PM »

The Typhoon is an abomination on the eye.

They're useful in the MA especially for attack missions.

I hate dogfighting in them and love dogfighting with them because they suck against 109s and most people don't know how to fly them, apparently.

It's easy to spot those who don't know what they're doing in the Typhoon too.

The Dora looks way better.

Haha

_mattsabs · « **Reply #13 on:** October 01, 2007, 09:19:42 PM »

nazi.

Urchin · « **Reply #14 on:** October 01, 2007, 10:07:31 PM »

Well, if one compares the tiffie to a 190A5, one finds that the Tiffie has at least double the firepower (being generous to the alueA5), a much better cockpit, better turning and better acceleration, plus a much higher top speed, especially down low. It should come as a very small shock that the tiffie has a lower ENY value.