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Offline toonces3

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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2007, 11:55:57 AM »
It sounds like alot depends on how the engagement either starts, or evolves.

I would feel very uncomfortable in a Typhoon having a 190 behind me with an energy advantage.

Likewise, I'd feel uncomfortable, but maybe not quite as uncomfortable, in a 190 with a Typhoon perched above me.

It seems like, according you y'all, the fight could go either way co-alt, co-E.  Interesting...

One thing I probably overlook is the killing power of the hispanos.  While the 190 puts out a lot of killing power, the ballistics are such (for me) that I need to be very close to a maneuvering target to hit it.  The hispanos give a significantly greater reach, at least if you can shoot well.
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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2007, 01:07:45 PM »
Would learning the typh help in getting ready to learn the tempest? I'm thinking about flying the tempest and debating on whether I should spend some time in the typhoon first.
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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2007, 01:44:22 PM »
The tempest is basically just a faster version of the typhoon. Not to mention the Tempest is perked.
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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2007, 01:50:47 PM »
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Would learning the typh help in getting ready to learn the tempest? I'm thinking about flying the tempest and debating on whether I should spend some time in the typhoon first.


Yes, it will help a lot.  They are virtually the same plane but the Temp has more power.
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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2007, 03:05:35 AM »
"The first Griffon powered Spits were used to hunt 190's on their speed raids. They would actually catch them running, and the 190's could not use the rollie-rollie to their benefit. (there were clipped Spit XII's)"

Bait(TM)? It sure stinks like that... :rolleyes:

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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2007, 03:52:51 AM »
Bait? Nope. The first Griffon Spits were used to chase marauding and fast 190's. They were actually (to the surprize of the RAF top brass) faster than the Typhoons. As Jeff Quill put it after testing a Griffon Spit vs Faber's 190 and a Typhoon (he solemnly beat both in a race), - "The cat was still well and among the pigeons"
(something close to that).
Anyway, the expert on this is a non-baiting gentleman known as Dan/Guppy.
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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2007, 04:01:04 AM »
Spit XIIs of 91 Squadron were used in the Spring of 41 to counter the hit and run raids by bomb armed 190s on the south coast of England.  Best day was May 25, 1943 when they downed 5 190s off  Beachy Head.

Later flying Jim Crow Recce sorties on the French coast there were a number of occasions were 190s jumped the Spit XIIs but the Spit XIIs were able to extend away from the 190s.  This was done on a number of occasions where in the heat of the moment the Spit drivers forgot to jettison their 30 gallon DTs and were still able to maintain their edge in speed.

Tiffies were rushed into service use for the same reason, to counter those 190 nuisance raids.  

They had a tendency to bounce the clipped wing Spit XIIs thinking they were 109s.

The XIIs were used to their best abilities in the Spring summer and fall of 43 ending up high scoring fighter wing in th Fall when based out of Tangmere.  Best day was 9 for no loss and based on research later they didn't overclaim that day.
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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2007, 09:23:00 AM »
We need to organize a 'bribe HT' group to get the XII :) .
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« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2007, 09:42:42 AM »
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We need to organize a 'bribe HT' group to get the XII :) .


A SPAD XII? You have my support :aok ;)

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« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2007, 09:50:47 AM »
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A SPAD XII? You have my support :aok ;)



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« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2007, 01:45:44 PM »
"The first Griffon Spits were used to chase marauding and fast 190's."

Fast 190s? On the deck? With many different kinds of external bomb racks or ordnance if they were caught incoming?

Ok, what ever...

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« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2007, 05:33:37 PM »
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"The first Griffon Spits were used to chase marauding and fast 190's."

Fast 190s? On the deck? With many different kinds of external bomb racks or ordnance if they were caught incoming?

Ok, what ever...

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Not sure what you are trying to bait here, but the 190's did indeed do some marauder work. Since distances were little (as with RAF rhubarb jobs), interceptions had to be really fast, as well as the chasing aircraft being able to catch up.
BTW, down low the LW usually held the cards at the time, - in terms of top speed that is. Not sure of the effect of racks and such on the 190's top speeds, but they were indeed coming and leaving at high speeds. Not many minutes for the job.
AFAIK they were usually caught while leaving, - since incoming would not give an alarm enough to enable an interception.
Again, Dan is the expert on that period.
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« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2007, 08:51:50 AM »
"down low the LW usually held the cards at the time"

The only defense those 190s had was a relatively good speed on the deck (after the ordnance was dropped), camouflaging, and low altitude to avoid radar detection, thats about it. I think they should have been able to catch them even with Merlin Spits but Griffon gave more leeway for reaction time after the detection was made. And it does not really matter if the chaser was a Tiffie, down low you can not really benefit much of having a superior rolling rate. Quite evident if you fly it in AH.

I'm not sure what you were trying to point out, or bait, with that Spit remark but it resembled me of MA Spit 16 dweeb rejoicing the slaughter of a 190F8. Hurrah, talk about challenge...

I feel sorry for those LW pilots who had to carry out such idiotic raids with little strategic gain and with not much chances of surviving a low level bail-out or a high speed ditch.

But if you get a kick out of the thought, fine. :p

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« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2007, 10:31:08 AM »
Well here is my side of things. I love the 190 and I have fought a lot in those especially the A8 and I belive that, that is the toughest plane to fly in the game. You can get the 190's prtty fast and with 30mm cannons it is easy to kill someone. the typhs were the best to kill the 109's before the tempast came out and then the tempast took over. they are very evenly matched in stability and speed. The 190 has a better roll rate but the typhoon has a better turn rate. I wil all come down to the pitlot skill to see wich one wins.
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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2007, 11:28:12 AM »
Charge, my point is that the 190 nuicance raids were fast, low, badly detectable, and then the empty 190 was still possibly able to extend from the defender, - who would in many cases be a Spit V or even a IX (?) whou would not be able to catch them on the deck.
The Spit XII however could.
Bottom line there, is that the XII would get there faster and be able to catch the victim on the run as well as having a better window in time and sighting.

This was fast business.
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