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Offline Swoop

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« on: October 01, 2007, 07:06:59 AM »
Short version:   Any sod in British government from the P.M. down to the tea boy at the local council offices can now view details of anyone's phone calls whenever they like without a warrant.


The long version:

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484752&in_page_id=1770&ct=5


Big Brother Britain: Government and councils to spy on ALL our phones
By JASON LEWIS - More by this author »
 
Last updated at 17:50pm on 30th September 2007
 
Officials from the top of Government to lowly council officers will be given unprecedented powers to access details of every phone call in Britain under laws coming into force tomorrow.

The new rules compel phone companies to retain information, however private, about all landline and mobile calls, and make them available to some 795 public bodies and quangos.

The move, enacted by the personal decree of Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, will give police and security services a right they have long demanded: to delve at will into the phone records of British citizens and businesses.

But the same powers will also be handed to the tax authorities, 475 local councils, and a host of other organisations, including the Food Standards Agency, the Department of Health, the Immigration Service, the Gaming Board and the Charity Commission. The initiative, formulated in the wake of the Madrid and London terrorist attacks of 2004 and 2005, was put forward as a vital tool in the fight against terrorism. However, civil liberties campaigners say the new powers amount to a 'free for all' for the State snooping on its citizens.

And they angrily questioned why the records were being made available to so many organisations. Similar provisions are being brought in across Europe, but under much tighter regulation. In Britain, say critics, private and sensitive information will inevitably fall into the wrong hands.

Records will detail precisely what calls are made, their time and duration, and the name and address of the registered user of the phone.

The files will even reveal where people are when they made mobile phone calls. By knowing which mast transmitted the signal, officials will be able to pinpoint the source of a call to within a few feet. This can even be used to track someone's route if, for example, they make a call from a moving car.

Files will also be kept on the sending and receipt of text messages.

By 2009 the Government plans to extend the rules to cover internet use: the websites we have visited, the people we have emailed and phone calls made over the net.



Home Secretary Jacqui Smith has spearheaded the move to give police and security services access to the phone records of British citizens and businesses.
The new laws will make it a legal requirement for phone companies to keep records for at least a year, and to make them available to the authorities. Until now, companies have been reluctant to allow unfettered access to their files, citing data protection laws, although they have had a voluntary arrangement with law enforcement agencies since 2003.
Many of the organisations granted access to the records already have systems allowing them to search phone-call databases over a computer link without needing staff at the phone company to intervene.

Police requests for phone records will need the approval of a superintendent or inspector, while council officials must get permission from the authority's assistant chief officer. Thousands of staff in other agencies will be legally entitled to retrieve the records once the request is approved by a senior official.

The new measures were implemented after the Home Secretary signed a 'statutory instrument' on July 26. The process allows the Government to alter laws without a full act of Parliament.

The move was nodded through the House of Lords two days earlier without a debate.

It puts into UK law a European Directive aimed at the 'investigation, detection and prosecution of serious crime'. But the British law allows the information to be used much more widely to combat all crimes, however minor.

The huge number of organisations allowed to access this data was attacked by Liberty, the civil liberties campaign group. Other organisations allowed to see the data include the Royal Navy Regulating Branch, the Atomic Energy Authority Constabulary, the Department of Trade and Industry, NHS Trusts, ambulance and fire services, the Department of Transport and the Department for the Environment.

A spokesman for Liberty said: 'Hundreds of bodies have been given the power to look at this highly sensitive information. It is yet another example of how greater and greater access is being given to information on our movements with little debate and little public accountability.

'It is a free for all. There is a lack of oversight of how and why public bodies are using these records. There is no public record of what they are using this information for.'

Tony Bunyan, of civil liberties group Statewatch, said: 'The retention of everyone's communications data is a momentous decision, one that should not be slipped through Parliament without anyone noticing.'

Last year, the voluntary arrangement allowed 439,000 searches of phone records. But the Government brought in legislation because the industry did not routinely keep all the information it wanted.

Different authorities will have different levels of access to the systems. Police and intelligence services will be able to see more detailed information than local authorities. And officials at NHS Trusts and ambulance and fire services can obtain the records only in rare cases when, for example, they are trying to save a patient's life.

The new system will be overseen by the Interception of Communications Commissioner, who also ensures security and intelligence services' phone taps are legal.

The commissioner, Sir Paul Kennedy, reports to the Prime Minister and already carries out random inspections of some agencies legally allowed to see phone records under the existing voluntary scheme. Last year inspectors visited 22 councils already making 'significant' use of their powers' to access phone records. A report said the results were 'variable', but within the law.

Privacy watchdog the Information Commissioner, which has responsibly for protecting personal information and policing the Data Protection Act had virtually no role in the new laws.

A spokeswoman said its only function was to ensure 'data security' at the phone companies, adding: 'We have no oversight role over the release of this information.'

The Home Office said there were safeguards to ensure the new law was being used properly. Every authority had a nominated senior member of staff who was legally responsible for the use the phone data was put to, 'the integrity of the process' and for 'reporting errors'.

A spokesman said: 'The most detailed level of data can be accessed only by law enforcement agencies such as the police. More basic access is available to local authority bodies such as trading standards and environmental health who can only use these powers to prevent and detect crime.'

A spokesman for the Local Government Association, which represents councils across England and Wales, said: 'Councils would only use these powers in circumstances such as benefit fraud, when the taxpayer is being ripped off for many thousands of pounds.'

He added that it was 'very unlikely' the powers would be used against non-payers of council tax or for parking fines 'as the sums involved are not sufficient to justify the use of this sort of information or the costs involved in applying it'.



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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2007, 07:34:16 AM »
get your firearms and.......oh........um....... ..er never mind you aren't a citizen you are a subject.  I forgot.


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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2007, 08:03:52 AM »
well...if you are doing nothing wrong then...

Just kidding... I feel your pain.   the "war on terror" sure seems like a convienient excuse to have a war on freedom and privacy..    I am sure that something close to that is headed our way.

The democrats here hate war..  war on other people that is.. soooo.. if they get in they will "make us safer" by spending money on "making us safer at home"

Disarm us and search us... listen in to make sure we don't say bad things about our government.... it is the way of socialism... you in england are just ahead of us in that department by a couple of decades... there are plenty of democrats here who envy socialism of england tho.

after all... you get "free" healthcare..  what else matters?

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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2007, 08:25:34 AM »
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Originally posted by storch
get your firearms and.......oh........um....... ..er never mind you aren't a citizen you are a subject.  I forgot.


:D


Rofl I didn't see any gunmen on US streets when the Patriot Act was laid upon you. :rolleyes:

All the gov needs to do is threaten to shut down McDonalds and Wendy's etc. and 99% of population will bend over backwards in horror.. :D
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2007, 08:33:28 AM »
Not sure you're right about that MrRiplEy.

I mean, if if was done subtley and covertly........hell, not even then.  The great British pastime used to be sitting around in pubs, drinking and smoking.  And suddenly they stopped us doing that for the sake of all the poor widdle non-smokers out there with their delicate lungs who are apparently too stupid to go sit in the non-smoking area.

There was no revolution, no riots, no parades through Westminster with banners saying "save our smoke!", no, instead there was a petition.  That was ignored.

Due to the fact that the power of peaceful demonstration is worthless in this country and the apathy of the general populous when it's suggested we could, actually, no really, make a difference.......bollocks, I want out.


One hard working, house trained Brit going free to a good home, all enquiries here pls.

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2007, 08:45:23 AM »
And the worst part is not the politicians in the UK, its the rest of the EU trying to catch up - wheels spinning.
How dare they still use Beethovens 9th.  :mad:
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2007, 08:45:47 AM »
you could use the "patriot act" for protection.:aok
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2007, 08:48:13 AM »
come here and move to a semi rural area... if you move to a big blue city they will fawn over your accent and try to imitate you and cry about how they are not enough like england..

I am afraid that the women and womenly men have taken over... the whole civilized world is getting to be like moving back in with your mothers.

When I was in school... 1984 gave us nightmares but... we KNEW it could never happen... now..  we have gone past the book in many important things.  and the women are screaming for more... more government in our lives...

We smugly tell people where and what they can smoke or consume and make em buckle up in their car... wear helmets... don't play with guns or knives... search em everywhere... metal detectors... random searches...  it is like mom invading your room.   nagging at us every day... global warming will make us go blind if we don't stop doing that!

There is no solution but to get away and wait it out or...just get far enough away that you will be dead before they get around to you.

I hold no hope for the xbox generation changing things..  they think women can beat up men and that AH builds up your hand eye co-ordination.

I don't want to be a martyr myself.. I don't need the money anymore.. don't need to play the game to get by... gonna move out a ways and let you guys cannibalize each other with a nagging trophy wife and woman anchor telling you what to do.

lazs

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 09:13:57 AM »
they don't nag if you stuff something in their mouths.

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2007, 09:22:51 AM »
You must be a criminal or something Swoop, I have it on good authority from some on this board that only those doing wrong have anything to fear by this type of government activity.

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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2007, 09:25:31 AM »
What about unregistered GSM numbers?
Or Skype? H2H? AH? OMG, the Ah BB!?!?!?!?!!

Anyway, maybe time to starting to say funny things on the phone, as well as breathing a lot :D
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2007, 09:38:46 AM »
Your country has gone insane, unfortunately mine is following not far behind. The good news is, getting out is easy. Just hop a flight and overstay your visa.
You don't even have to protest for your "rights" here, we've already got millions willing to do that for you. Just make sure you do it soon, you'll want to get in for the next round of amnesty.

We've probably got 10-15 years before our country gets as bad as yours. So, come on over and enjoy it while it lasts.

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2007, 09:40:56 AM »
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You must be a criminal or something Swoop


Actually.....yep.

But only because there are certain laws I totally disagree with in this country that I ignore.  In other countries I wouldn't be.  I tend to view laws are merely guidelines.  For example, speeding.....during heavy traffic / bad conditions I can certainly see the sense in a 70mph limit.  In the middle of the night when it's not peeing down I see no issue at all with belting down the M4 at 175mph.  It's only a matter of time before the Filth is using my cell phone to track me exceeding the limit......


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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2007, 09:56:25 AM »
with GPS tied into them you know that is just down the road but I envision a time when the car itself will rat you out.  that is if they allow them to exceed limits in first place.  the future may be filled with transponders of every flavor.

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2007, 09:59:22 AM »
All reminds me of Stasi. Did you see the German movie "Das leben der anderen", - lots of tapping there.
BTW, was at former Stasi HQ in Dresden ust the other day. Looked like something out of Nazi times....
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)