Dachau Waffen SS guard found in GA.

[eskimo2]

I wonder if convicting someone of a war crime, without first giving them a fair trial, is in itself, a war crime?  Wouldn’t that be ironic?

[Toad]

Originally posted by BBBB
In one post you claim to be this big time Christan, that you would make all the right choices and all that jive.

I challenge you to quote that post. What you've just said is totally incorrect.

 

Then you turn around and spew hate for a group of pepole,

This is a perception on your part that is totally incorrect. I don't hate them but I don't respect them; I don't want to be their friends. They are nulls to me.


 

On a side note I am curious though, when where these "life and death" situations in a military aircraft?

3000+ hours in both the right and left seats of the RC-135. My military history is pretty much on the board. If you actually knew anything about me, you would know that. I suspect you know very little about me.
 

You are trying to make this situation black and white.

If he was a Dachau guard for 2 years, it is black and white.

 

Do me a favor. Next time don't try to ride the Bible to get your message of hate across.

Do me a favor. Quote any passage where I have posted anything like that. Again, it's clear you know nothing about me.

[Elfie]

If given a choice between Joe Shmo
and #4

Guess who looses

Joe Schmo looses if people are honest. The survival instinct is very strong in all of us.

I'm with Fishu on this one (/gasp can't believe I just said that ). Let due process take it's course. If the guy did commit war crimes then prosecute to the fullest extent possible. If he didn't, then leave the old man alone to die in peace.

There is much we don't know about this mans history at the camps.

All armies committed war crimes to one degree or another, even the Red Army did regardless of Boroda's vehement denials. Only the Axis powers were charged with war crimes and only because they lost.

[Elfie]

If he was a Dachau guard for 2 years, it is black and white.

That isn't clear, from the article:

This is the accusation:

Paul Henss, a resident of Lawrenceville, Georgia, handled attack dogs that terrorized inmates at the Dachau and Buchenwald Nazi concentration camps between 1942 and 1944, the department said in a charging document filed in the deportation case.

This is what Henss has to say:

Interviewed at his home after the deportation order was made public, Henss said he trained dogs in 1942 to fight on the Russian front and to guard prisoners but this did not make him a war criminal.

Another article:

http://www.thestate.com/361/story/188834.html

Again it has it's allegations:

According to federal authorities, Henss joined the Hitler Youth organization in Germany in 1934 as a 12- or 13-year-old boy and joined the Nazi Party in 1940.

He entered the Waffen SS in 1941 and volunteered the following year to become an SS dog handler, serving from 1942 to 1944 at the Dachau and Buchenwald concentration camps in Germany, the immigration document states.

There, Henss instructed other guards in the use of trained attack dogs to guard prisoners and prevent their escape, and personally guarded prisoners and forced-labor details to prevent escapes, authorities allege.

SS regulations during Henss' time of service said dogs were to be trained "to 'bite without mercy' and to literally tear prisoners to pieces if they attempted to escape," the document states.

Again with Henss admissions:

Henss admitted in a sworn statement March 13 that he served as an SS guard at Dachau and Buchenwald for two to three months each as a dog handler, according to the charging document.

On Monday, he acknowledged training dogs but said he fought in Russia and never set foot inside Dachau or Buchenwald.

I've never been to see any of the concentration camps. My question is this....is it possible to be a guard at a concentration camp but never actually go inside of it?

[Elfie]

I like to think that I would die before "shoving women and children into ditches" but if someone is holding a gun to my Fiancé's head or if I had kids to their heads then I really can't say for sure what I would do; and history has shown through out the centuries that man will do terrible things to protect their families. I am thankful that I have never been put into this situation but the soldiers in Germany during WWII were. Sometimes the world isn't as black and white as you want it to be (and yes it sucks).

To save my wife and children I would do most anything I suppose. You could coerce me into doing many things to save them that you could not get me to do to save myself.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Elfie
He entered the Waffen SS in 1941 and volunteered the following year to become an SS dog handler, serving from 1942 to 1944 at the Dachau and Buchenwald concentration camps in Germany, the immigration document states.

Ok what I dont understand is if it was documented on his immigration papers.
Why was he let in this country to begin with?
Or better yet.
Why wasnt he prosecuted then?

They obviously knew about him

Why wait 60 years?

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Viking
He has committed no crime that I can see.

Probably some immigration irregularities involved in getting here, so all he needs to do is find one of our "sanctuary cities" like Austin where the authorities are forbidden from asking questions about immigration status.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Ok what I dont understand is if it was documented on his immigration papers.
Why was he let in this country to begin with?
Or better yet.
Why wasnt he prosecuted then?

They obviously knew about him

Why wait 60 years?

Officials said Henss entered the United States in 1955 after concealing his concentration camp service.

I highly suspect he didn`t document that he was unemployed since the death camp closed down.  

[Fishu]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Or better yet.
Why wasnt he prosecuted then?

Prosecuted for what? If he didn't commit war crimes then there was nothing to prosecute him for. Even if he did something it's not possible to go through every soldier of the surrendered enemy and give them a fair trial where will be judged whether the crimes were committed willingly or unwillingly. The focus after every war has been in the commanding officers who were ultimately responsible for the actions.

Prosecuting hundreds of thousands german soldiers wouldn't have been helpful, it would have left the already depressed people even more depressed after the surrender. In fact part of the reasons that led to WWII was that the germans generally felt they were treated unfairly after the WWI. Some things are better to be left in the past, give way for a new era and work to prevent it from happening again. Too much scrutiny only eats up huge amount of resources and achieves nothing, especially if it doesn't take into consideration the crimes by the winning side.

Lots of germans worked in forced labor after the war though. A general punishment.

Good luck if you want to prosecute everyone who were POSSIBLY involved in war crimes. The first thing you can wonder is why all the serbian soldiers possibly involved in war crimes and crimes against humanity weren't prosecuted, but primarly the leaders. Let's see how the country will feel afterwards and see how long it'll take for an another war to fire up when they felt they were done injustice.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Ok what I dont understand is if it was documented on his immigration papers.
Why was he let in this country to begin with?
Or better yet.
Why wasnt he prosecuted then?

They obviously knew about him

Why wait 60 years?

In one of the articles Henss says he wasn't asked about his service in the war. There are to many inconsistencies at this point for me to condemn this guy.