Dachau Waffen SS guard found in GA.

[Dowding]

Being in the SS meant being the best of the best in their military.

Really? I thought regular Heer troops were pretty derisory about SS troops. They often struggled to find decent weapons, especially in the early years, with the Wehrmacht point blank refusing to give them anything of theirs.

I'd say that was quite different from the relationship between Special Forces and regulars in modern armies.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Pooh21
... I though you old warcrime commiting POS.

Yeah. That's what I thought when Chuck Yeager said on some Discovery show that he used to shoot German pilots hanging from their parachutes. It seems it actually was common in the USAAF.

[evenhaim]

Deport him or hang him, he has yet to be punished for his war crimes like a toddler stealing candy bit by bit from a market.

He will NOT live as peacefully after this i guarentee you

[Fishu]

Originally posted by evenhaim
Deport him or hang him, he has yet to be punished for his war crimes like a toddler stealing candy bit by bit from a market.

He will NOT live as peacefully after this i guarentee you

Neither seems to have got away the next generation of germans who had nothing to do with the war. Apparently a few years ago built multi million euro monument for the holocaust was made of poor concrete and needs to be fixed. Of course there will be more millions to fix that, right?

....at who's expense? At the expense of the generation who had no dice in the holocaust.

We don't even fully know this guy's full story, but some are ready lynch him without a chance for a fair trial. and to think of it, we dare to call ourselves better than the dictators.

[cav58d]

Joining the Hitler youth means crap...At 12 years old in 1944, my girlfriends father was all but forced into joining the Hitler youth.  If he didn't, his father would have lost his job, and he, no longer to continue his education.  Because this guy joined the hitler youth as a pre teen means nothing in the collective light of this situation.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by BBBB


 It seems to me he is not a loyalist to the Nazi party.
-Spot

He willingly joined the SS and to do so, you had to swear allegiance to Hitler.  So, he was a willing goose-stepping Nazi.  


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Fishu
And I cleared it up a bit before. Exactly this why 13 year olds aren't considered adults - they are ineligible to make decisions themselves. They can be too easily manipulated to make a decision.

He wasn't 13 years old when he joined the SS nor was he 13 when he was a guard.  Hope that clears it up a bit.


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Fishu
The problem is that the people can't see the difference between the two sections of SS.

Considering both willingly massacred civilians and POWs en mass, is there really a difference?


ack-ack

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
He wasn't 13 years old when he joined the SS nor was he 13 when he was a guard.  Hope that clears it up a bit.

I don't want to repeat myself when I've already dealt this in a prior post.

Considering both willingly massacred civilians and POWs en mass, is there really a difference?

You of course know this without a doubt based on what information?

I could say the US soldiers and commanders at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and in couple of other cases willingly tortured and killed prisoners. Heck, I could also  generalize it a bit more and based on their acts say the whole US army willingly tortures and kills people.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Viking
This isn't about sympathy (or lack thereof). This is about justice by law and if we should jail (or hang) someone just because we don't like them (like the Nazis did). He has committed no crime that I can see.

Don't know about you, but if given the choice, I'd rather die a frozen death on the Eastern front than be party to this...he had a choice, he chose to do whatever he could to LIVE...at the expense of these poor sob's

[Fishu]

Originally posted by bj229r
Don't know about you, but if given the choice, I'd rather die a frozen death on the Eastern front than be party to this...he had a choice, he chose to do whatever he could to LIVE...at the expense of these poor sob's

Let's see when your bellybutton is freezing for real under the hail of bullets and shrapnels. Easy to say from the comftyness of your home.

Only some people can say for certain what they would do in the grief circumstances of war - Most of these people have gained their knowledge through the very experience. For most parts you don't know how you will act in a desperate situation until you're there.

[evenhaim]

Originally posted by Fishu
I don't want to repeat myself when I've already dealt this in a prior post.



You of course know this without a doubt based on what information?

I could say the US soldiers and commanders at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and in couple of other cases willingly tortured and killed prisoners. Heck, I could also  generalize it a bit more and based on their acts say the whole US army willingly tortures and kills people.

and you know that he was innocent for a fact? from the info we have now he WAS a guard at a camp and a dog handler, these dog handlers were notorious for realesing thier dogs and prisoners who could do no better then run 3 feet and collapse of hunger. You wouldnt be wrong by saying america may have mis treated some prisoners but the reasons are 100% different. War= army v army./// Genocide= army v helpless civillians.  If you have any opinions that differ please present them

[Toad]

Originally posted by Fishu

I could say the US soldiers and commanders at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and in couple of other cases willingly tortured and killed prisoners.  

There goes all your credibility; well, what little you had.

Abu Ghraib & Gitmo compare to Dachau?

YGBSM.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by evenhaim
and you know that he was innocent for a fact? from the info we have now he WAS a guard at a camp and a dog handler, these dog handlers were notorious for realesing thier dogs and prisoners who could do no better then run 3 feet and collapse of hunger. You wouldnt be wrong by saying america may have mis treated some prisoners but the reasons are 100% different. War= army v army./// Genocide= army v helpless civillians.  If you have any opinions that differ please present them

I've never claimed I do know he was innocent. I've told people to not judge him with only the information available when they don't even know jack ***** of the history.

He could have done this and he could have done that, but he's innocent until proven guilty. That is how the civilized justice works. As far as I know, we're part of the civilized world. Let's not forget the very principles of democracy in the wake of emotions.

[gpwurzel]

Seems to me this is going off track a little. He's been arrested and faces deportation. He was a camp guard - there to train others in the use of dogs....he was there a short period then moved on......these appear to be facts (if the article is to be believed (i'm cynical about papers etc)).

I can see no mention that he actually released his dog onto prisoners, nor any mention that he killed/beat/starved any either - so this would appear to be speculation.

If he is guilty....punish him to the maximum extent - what was done at these camps was beyond evil - Nobody deserves to be treated that way!

If, however, proof cannot be found to show he did carry out any atrocities - he should be left alone.

So far, the argument that seems to be raging is a bit pointless, speculatory and inflammatory - carry on, I've got my popcorn and a nice coffee (cant drink at work ho hum).

Just my 2p's worth.......


Wurzel


*Edit - just to say, I'm not supporting either side of this one......just my opinion*