Author Topic: Dachau Waffen SS guard found in GA. (Read 5403 times)

Fishu · « **Reply #60 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:16:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
There goes all your credibility; well, what little you had.

Abu Ghraib & Gitmo compare to Dachau?

I take it you didn't take the post lightly. That was the very point of the post, To make others realise that what ack-ack claimed is the same thing as if someone would claim the US army is willingly killing and torturing people.

Go read the post again, there reads very clearly "I could say...", which means I didn't go to claim anything. You failed to realise that from the harsh emotion you got from what you read.

Don't even try to make me believe that a near million soldiers willingly killed people.

Toad · « **Reply #61 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:24:00 PM »

Even the conception of possibly using that comparison pretty much invalidates anything you might say.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #62 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:28:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Tiger
I love the people who make it sound like he had a choice, sit at this camp with a gaurd dog, or be sent to the Eastern Front, those were probably his only two choices.

there was a third choice as well as a fourth

3- get shot
4 get interned yourself along with your family

But if what Jaxxo posted is true.

Thats a different story entirely

But to play devils advocate for a moment.

If given a choice between Joe Shmo
and #4

Guess who looses

Fishu · « **Reply #63 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:29:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Even the conception of possibly using that comparison pretty much invalidates anything you might say.

Why isn't Ack-ack subjected to this? He didn't just possibly say it. A different subject, but same thing nonetheless.

Why shouldn't I have respect for the soldiers of other nationalities? Even that of the enemy? Soldiers, who have not committed war crimes, should be respected regardless of their nationality or stance towards you.

I find it to be of bad taste to badmouth the soldiers of the nazi germany when there's no ground for it. They might've fought for the wrong cause, but in the end they had a little choice and the most never committed any war crimes.

SkyRock · « **Reply #64 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:34:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
Would you please tell me what HE did at the camps?

Apparently he wouldn't let people escape from torture, murder, and starvation.

Fishu · « **Reply #65 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:37:51 PM »

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Originally posted by SkyRock
Apparently he wouldn't let people escape from torture, murder, and starvation.

How do you come to this conclusion? Have you seen a paper I haven't? Details! I wan't details! Where are the details!?

We know he was stationed at a concentration camp as a dog holder, but we do also know he was there to train the use of dogs. Nothing says he was there also to prevent people escaping from torture, murder and starvation. Even less the latter three things. It is also said he was a guard.. he could've guarded NCO's hut for all we know.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #66 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:42:39 PM »

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Don't know about you, but if given the choice, I'd rather die a frozen death on the Eastern front than be party to this...he had a choice, he chose to do whatever he could to LIVE...at the expense of these poor sob's

Bottom line is nobody knows for certain what they would do when faced with a situation untill they are actually in it.

I walked into my dining room one time and all my sister in laws weretalking about someone who had cancer.
And each was going on about ifit ere them THEY woud do this or that.

Being one who has actually had it I laughed at em all and told them they were all full of crap and talking out of their arses. "Because untill you actually have it. you dont know what you would do."

Same thing holds true here

We would all like to think that we would do this or that under extreme circumstances.
But untill you are actually facing it.
You dont really know.
And you would be surprised at how ones perspective can change.

Toad · « **Reply #67 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:56:00 PM »

How many Yanks here would continue to serve in silence while guarding an extermination camp in Iraq where thousands of Iraqis check in and disappear while the chimneys pour the smell of charred pork and black smoke into the sky?

How many?

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #68 on:** October 01, 2007, 07:59:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu

I find it to be of bad taste to badmouth the soldiers of the nazi germany when there's no ground for it. They might've fought for the wrong cause, but in the end they had a little choice and the most never committed any war crimes.

Really? I find it in bad taste those that glorify the actions of murders or sugar coating their atrocities.

ack-ack

john9001 · « **Reply #69 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:00:24 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
We would all like to think that we would do this or that under extreme circumstances.
But untill you are actually facing it.
You dont really know.
And you would be surprised at how ones perspective can change.

i have to with dred on this one.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #70 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:02:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
How many Yanks here would continue to serve in silence while guarding an extermination camp in Iraq where thousands of Iraqis check in and disappear while the chimneys pour the smell of charred pork and black smoke into the sky?

How many?

Different set of circumstances.

Speaking out against your leadership might get you in trouble here.
Speaking out against your leadership in the German army during WWII could get you shot.
Or as I mentioned. Your family sent to a camp.

And what would the German soldier have to gain by speaking out?
For him there was no upside.

to answer your question
Given the same set of circumstances as the german soldier faced I dont think many would speak out now either. Out of fear

The difference is in our army is the potential reprecussions from speaking out are slightly less severe.

Fishu · « **Reply #71 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:05:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
So in other words, if it was you, you'd jump at the chance to transfer from the front line so you can be a concentration camp guard and do your part in committing genocide?

Who knows, I haven't been to the situation. Currently I'd probably rather run away at the first hint of an upcoming war. However, I can't even say that for sure.

I do know that I would not "do my part in committing genocide" in the meaning of a willing participant. Do my part to save my bellybutton maybe, or I could find it too disgusting and think less of my ass. Knowing how you react when seeing lots of people being killed is one of those things you don't usually know before hand (unless you're a diagnosed psychopath).

I just wouldn't be willing to judge people just for being a guard at a concentration camp. What they did as a guard and under what circumstances is what matters more to me. It also does a difference to the prisoners; One guard can be a real ***** to the prisoners while an another guard leaves them alone.

At the point when there are concentration camps it's too late to blame everyone who becomes a guard. There will be guards even if they have to be kept there at a gun point.

Neubob · « **Reply #72 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:07:11 PM »

Let him stay free, do nothing about it.

If the Israelis get him, they get him.

Gryphons · « **Reply #73 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:11:55 PM »

DRED, history has shown that you can make a man do many evil things if you threaten his life, and do even more evil things when his families life is threatened.

Fishu · « **Reply #74 on:** October 01, 2007, 08:15:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
How many Yanks here would continue to serve in silence while guarding an extermination camp in Iraq where thousands of Iraqis check in and disappear while the chimneys pour the smell of charred pork and black smoke into the sky?

How many?

You got the point too well: I didn't go to claim what you're so badly upset about. Get over it.

To make it clear, the point here was that it's easy to badmouth the former enemy without grounds for it, but hard to ignore it when thrown at you of your countrymen.

Respect goes both ways.