FDR and the Devil

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Boroda


Do you have an option of voting for Communists in your so-called "free world"?

As long as they have enough signatures to get themselves on the ballot they can run in any election.  


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[Boroda]

Originally posted by Neubob
Hey Boroda, how do you feel about FDR turning back the German refugee ships as part of the isolationist policy?

Do you think that was a virtuous thing to do?

I never thought about it. If it did happen - then I'd like to see the details, like dates and if it was really FDR's decision. I have always looked at it as at another anti-american propaganda "hook" not worth as an argument.

I am now searching for some quotes from Harry Truman. Not the famous "Let's help the Russians when the Germans are winning and the Germans when the Russians are winning. So each may kill off as many as possible of the other", he said more brilliant things. I wonder what could happen if FDR stayed alive. Germany probably could be re-united by 1949 as well as Korea, and the whole Cold War couldn't happen.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
Our country today is a socialist infested rat hole because of what FDR did.  

FDR and Lincoln had the good fortune of being in the right place at the right time.  It wasn't them that solved the problems, but external people and events.

While they didn't solve the problems, they clearly made them worse.

So you think that Stephan Douglas would have kept this country together?  Or are you implying because Lincoln was elected he was the root cause of the Civil War because he wasn't going to appease the South on slavery like Douglas?

Or if Wilkens had won in 1940 and further promoted the non-interventionism/isolationism that things would have been better?  There probably wouldn't have been a Land-Lease program which then would have probably resulted in a very different Europe than what we have today.

These two were the right man at the right time, just like George Washington was the right man at the right time.  Of course, I'm sure you've issues with Washington as well.


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[Boroda]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
As long as they have enough signatures to get themselves on the ballot they can run in any election.  

Really?

Was it like that back in the late-40s and 50s? Did anything change dramatically in your "200-years-old democracy"?

[Yeager]

FDR knew the japs were a coming to bomb Pearl and he let it happen, the bastidge

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Boroda
IMHO "capitalism" is effective only when you a) base your prosperity on robbing others (social groups or countries/colonies), b) don't have an emergency situation that needs urgent solutions. It pretty much explains the current relative prosperity of the Golden Billion. And this prosperity is exaggerated, believe me.

Based off of this paragraph alone, there is nothing that I can say that can convince you otherwise.  Just the mere idea that you think Capitalism is robbery shows that your socialist bias is so ingrained that there is nothing that can convince you that socialism isn't the answer.

Every single thing that FDR did before the military build up was a socialist solution to fix the problem.  NOTHING worked.  It took FREE TRADE Capitalism and the need for a war time economy to pull the US out of the depression.  Again, just like Lincoln, FDR was in the right place at the right time.  There could have been a trained monkey behind the oval office desk named bobo  doing a better job then FDR.

Hell, even the retard Clinton's economic plans were MILES better than FDR.  What did Clinton do?  Nothing.  He did nothing because that's all that is needed for a market to survive and prosper.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Boroda
Really?

Was it like that back in the late-40s and 50s? Did anything change dramatically in your "200-years-old democracy"?

The Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA)  has never been outlawed.  The party also played a major role in the labor movement of the '20s and '40s.  It wasn't until pretty much after WW2 and during the Red Scare of the late '40s and '50s that it almost became "criminal" and "treasonous" to be a card carrying member of the CPUSA and pretty much destroyed the party as any real political force.

So yes, they were able to get on the ballot if they had the signatures to get them on it.  I don't think though that there have been any Communists that were elected to Congress or any other national political office in recent memory but they do enjoy some success occasionally on the state and local level.

Today, they are pretty much a fringe political force delegated to the sidelines with other fringe parties like the Peace and Freedom Party, Green Party, Libertarians, etc...

I believe the only political groups that are outlawed inthe U.S. are the National Socialists and other white supremist splinter groups.  Though some my fellow Republican brethren would like every political group other than the Republican Party be outlawed.


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[Yeager]

Though some my fellow Republican brethren would like every political group other than the Republican Party be outlawed.
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ssshhhhhhhh...the walls have ears

[Boroda]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
FREE TRADE Capitalism and the need for a war time economy

This two things are incompatible, isn't it obvious?

Please tell me when the US ever had "war time economy" in it's history.

What FDR did was stimulating US economy by pushing it to war, to perfect Government-Capitalism, forcing the US industry to extend it's markets.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA)  has never been outlawed.  

Tell this to Hollywood Ten. Not outlawed, just it's possible members being deprived of their basic Constitutional rights.

I wonder when I'll stop being surprised here. PREVED!!!

[Xargos]

April 5th 1933, President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued a treasonous Executive Order ordering citizens to hand their gold and gold certificates to the private Federal Reserve Bank:  Executive Order 6102:  "Section 2. All persons are hereby required to deliver on or before May a, 1933, to a Federal Reserve Bank or a branch or agency thereof or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System all gold coin, gold bullion and gold certificates now owned by them or coming into their ownership on or before April 28, 1933"
"Section 9. Whoever willfully violates any provision of this Executive Order or of these regulations or of any rule, regulation or license issued thereunder may be fined not more than $10,000, or, if a natural person, may be imprisoned for not more than ten years, or both"

FDR proceeded to implement the "New Deal" which converted the United States of America to the United Socialist States of America.  Instituting pure socialism in Social Security, the FCC to control the airwaves, the SEC to control banking and eliminate any potential competitors to the private Federal Reserve Bank.

Source

FDR was one of the biggest thieves of the past century.  But I guess people who don't want to earn a living or are unwilling to save for the future would see him as a hero since he gave them money that other people earned.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
Was it like that back in the late-40s and 50s?

CPUSA Presidential Tickets

1924 - William Z. Foster & Ben Gitlow
1928 - William Z. Foster & Ben Gitlow
1932 - William Z. Foster & James W. Ford
1936 - Earl Browder & James W. Ford
1940 - Earl Browder & James W. Ford
1948 - no candidates, but supported Henry Wallace, the Progressive candidate
1952 - no candidates, but supported Vincent Hallinan, the Progressive candidate
1968 - Charlene Mitchell & Michael Zagarell
1972 - Gus Hall & Jarvis Tyner
1976 - Gus Hall & Jarvis Tyner
1980 - Gus Hall & Angela Davis
1984 - Gus Hall & Angela Davis


No one prevented them from fielding candidates.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Boroda
Tell this to Hollywood Ten. Not outlawed, just it's possible members being deprived of their basic Constitutional rights.

I wonder when I'll stop being surprised here. PREVED!!!

From my previous post

It wasn't until pretty much after WW2 and during the Red Scare of the late '40s and '50s that it almost became "criminal" and "treasonous" to be a card carrying member of the CPUSA and pretty much destroyed the party as any real political force.

The McCarthy era is an ugly period on our history and what was done to the "Hollywood Ten" was shameful.  Too bad some don't remember that part or choose to ignore it because shades of it are happening today.


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[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Boroda
This two things are incompatible, isn't it obvious?

Please tell me when the US ever had "war time economy" in it's history.

What FDR did was stimulating US economy by pushing it to war, to perfect Government-Capitalism, forcing the US industry to extend it's markets.

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Are you serious?  I mean, if you really are serious, and not pulling our chains...  

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
CPUSA Presidential Tickets

1924 - William Z. Foster & Ben Gitlow
1928 - William Z. Foster & Ben Gitlow
1932 - William Z. Foster & James W. Ford
1936 - Earl Browder & James W. Ford
1940 - Earl Browder & James W. Ford
1948 - no candidates, but supported Henry Wallace, the Progressive candidate
1952 - no candidates, but supported Vincent Hallinan, the Progressive candidate
1968 - Charlene Mitchell & Michael Zagarell
1972 - Gus Hall & Jarvis Tyner
1976 - Gus Hall & Jarvis Tyner
1980 - Gus Hall & Angela Davis
1984 - Gus Hall & Angela Davis

1948-1968 no candidates, I guess they just decided not to take part in the elections themselves (in 1944 they probably just supported FDR).

Originally posted by Toad
No one prevented them from fielding candidates.

Sure! Angela Davis for vice-president, "no one prevented"... What a perfect example of "justice" towards political opponents!