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Offline Excel1

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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2007, 05:49:19 AM »
probes and satelites are fine but for sheer brillance and of course the fantastic entertainment value nothing nothing tops the apollo programme. glad i was around during that period to witness it.
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« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2007, 06:36:32 AM »
Aye that is true. The whole world was holding it's breath so to speak.
I will never forget the excitement around the first moon landing.
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« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2007, 08:28:06 AM »
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« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2007, 08:58:19 AM »
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Better get a band-aid on that hurt national pride of yours.


Better than living in Norway and have nothing to be proud of.
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« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2007, 11:41:51 AM »
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Better than living in Norway and have nothing to be proud of.


If a place where you live is the only thing to be proud of - then I pity you.
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« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2007, 11:45:48 AM »
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Why did the Soviet Union lose the Moon Race? - www.astronautix.com


It's all much simplier. We didn't have unlimited resources like "blue" side.

One of the reasons of the USSR's collapse was inability to spend vital resources on propaganda purposes. And leadership didn't understand that one rouble spent on propaganda payed 10 times.
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« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2007, 12:19:49 PM »
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It's all much simplier. We didn't have unlimited resources like "blue" side.

One of the reasons of the USSR's collapse was inability to spend vital resources on propaganda purposes. And leadership didn't understand that one rouble spent on propaganda payed 10 times.
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« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2007, 12:26:45 PM »
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It's all much simplier. We didn't have unlimited resources like "blue" side.

One of the reasons of the USSR's collapse was the overspending of vital resources on propaganda purposes. And leadership didn't understand that government is the overhead of a market driven economy and it should be as small as possible.


There... better...  and something for the USA to consider as well.
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« Reply #53 on: October 06, 2007, 12:33:47 PM »
"beep beep"

pah!

inside every rocket & satelitte is a small (c) by von Braun :D
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« Reply #54 on: October 06, 2007, 04:29:19 PM »
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inside every rocket & satellite is a small (c) by von Braun


I think thats right underneath the Goddard (TM) :)

Where satellites are concerned big props to my man, Arthur C. Clarke!

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« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2007, 10:50:23 AM »
hell boroda.. you built walls around your country to keep people in.

Did you really think that was gonna work?

lazs
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« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2007, 01:28:35 PM »
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hell boroda.. you built walls around your country to keep people in.

Did you really think that was gonna work?

lazs


Why lazs, haven't you heard, people are flooding Russian embassies worldwide begging for visas to live in the great Russian workers paradise?   :rofl  

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« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2007, 05:00:53 PM »
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Why lazs, haven't you heard, people are flooding Russian embassies worldwide begging for visas to live in the great Russian workers paradise?   :rofl  
 


As I said - Soviet propaganda sucked.

I am sure that 95% of people on this board will prefer Soviet society to anything else.

In the 5% left I see people like Lazs. In total population count I think 99% is a better estimation.

Holden, "market driven economy" is a myth for people who can't read. Now our government is 5 times bigger then it was in Soviet times, if you include Party officials in Soviet government. It's called "capitalism".
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« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2007, 05:38:27 PM »
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Holden, "market driven economy" is a myth for people who can't read. Now our government is 5 times bigger then it was in Soviet times, if you include Party officials in Soviet government. It's called "capitalism".
Don't mistake government bloat for an economic system.

Governments are able to bloat under captialism by stealing from those who actually produce something.

If you rely on the government to actually do the producing, you get very little actually produced.

This is because goverments by their very nature are extremely inefficient due to inadequate to non-existent oversight and accountability.  Therefore, they bloat under captialist systems and create unnecessary scarcity of resources under socialist systems.
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« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2007, 06:14:38 PM »
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Don't mistake government bloat for an economic system.

Governments are able to bloat under captialism by stealing from those who actually produce something.

If you rely on the government to actually do the producing, you get very little actually produced.

This is because goverments by their very nature are extremely inefficient due to inadequate to non-existent oversight and accountability.  Therefore, they bloat under captialist systems and create unnecessary scarcity of resources under socialist systems.


I have to say that I am one of the few who actually lived and worked under both systems. And I do have some background. Just enjoying reading books, you know.

History teaches us that no one learns from it. In 1916 Russian Military Department considered placing weapon orders in privately-owned companies. Test task was producing a gun-sight for 1891 three-line rifle (known in the West as Mosin-Nagant).  Out of three companies two failed completely to produce anything, the third managed to present a gun-sight in iron, but it was so bad that it was absolutely useless.

At the same time Imperial government had a contract with American weapon factories for a million (!!!) rifles. They failed. I mean - not only failed to make a decent rifle designed in Russia (meaning it can be made in any bed-factory). They also got pre-payed and failed to produce it in ordered quantities. More to say: they got almost ruined, and were seriously thinking of selling themselves to Russian Military Ministry for debts.

Just imagine it: they got an order for a MILLION rifles, pre-payed, price was bigger then what Military Ministry spent on same rifles made in Sestroretsk or Tula, and, being a contemporary world's  hi-tech smithery - they failed completely.

So it goes.

Capitalism works only when you got unnecessary resources. And even then it usually fails.

I wonder how much Redstones or Atlases were overpriced. Capitalism. (it's just a lame attempt to turn back to the original topic ;))

Who could even think of launching an obviously useless beeping ball under capitalism? A waste of money without any profit.
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