Just a thought here..

[bswin03]

I hate the same stuff you are talking about crockett......BUT..as frustrating as it is everyone pays 15 bucks for their fun.  If you are looking for the fun fights, i.e. 1v 1's and such, go to the DA.  My squad will sometimes go in there and fight each other because the horde crap gets old.  Its sucks that a few ppl can make the game so not fun sometimes, but i have learned to log before i say something stupid out of frustration (most of the time) hehe.   I found a much better group of guys in early and mid war arenas without the la7's and spit 16s.  Makes you actually fly and not rely on the advantages your plane has over the next guy.  And I by no means am a good stick, but i have fun in the "good fights", win or lose unless its to one of the dweeb rides.  Pray for CT sometime soon, i think that will help balance that stuff out.

[Helm]

The Hoarde mentality can be eliminated with one stroke of the pen/keyboard.  Go back to the old base capture criteria.  All you have to do is kill the Ack at the town…and drop troops.  

This would allow small teams of players to sneak in behind the enemy hoarde and steal their bases back.
 
This forces the enemy hoarde to have to devote resources to defend the bases they have, thereby making the hoarde smaller and smaller as they have more to defend.  

This would also allow an undermanned team to regain some bases,  have some pride and have some fun.  Under this system you would create many small unit actions all over the map.

The Fact is under the current system:  It almost takes a hoarde to capture a base, because there is so much to deal with…killing the town…killing all those acks….plus having to capp the base…and deal with all the acks and planes upping there…that takes a lot of resources, and  it creates the hoarde.

Before all the bulletin board bully’s rip my idea….think  over what I have said for a second…..

If you are a long time veteran of Ace’s think back to that era ..remember when NOE raids were common place? …..remember how the action was all over the maps? ….remember actually having to hunt for the enemy?

Remember being the only guy to see a base “steal” in progress…upping a fighter and stopping it all alone??…or with your wingman??? ….

My suggestion is good for everybody…..fighter pilots…bomber guys/gals…base capture guys/gals …Gv’er’ s  …..all groups would have more fun

Another added bonus to this idea is, it would allow the maps to be more fluid….I don’t know about you…but I sure tired of flying to the same bases all night….flying over the same terrain day after day gets pretty dull ….a more fluid situation would allow us to do more  “sightseeing”  and enjoy some of the maps more.

[waystin2]

Originally posted by crockett
What does that do, other that make your self a target for a ganging? I up old rides all the time, in fact I've been upping Hurri 1's often this tour (my oddball plane of the month). Hell man the tour before last I was flying 110's 90% of the time in fights. I always pick some odd ball ride to fly each tour. What is the response of the players from the other teams? They all try to horde you, because they think you will be a easy kill.

The other day I was at TT in a Hurri 1, was almost no one at TT so I ended up close to the enemy base, trying to find a fight. I found my first target fought a min or so, next thing u know number 2 has joined in. I ended up killing number two and was also still fighting number 1 target. He died, but before I could get out of there I was ganged by 5 guys all chasing a Hurri 1 including the first two guys I had already killed.

So of course I end up dieing but I did manage to stay alive for a good amount of time and had rounds in just about all of them. Sure it was kinda fun, but sure would have been nice to be able to have gone home and landed two hard fought kills in a Hurri 1.

Hell personally if I had fought a guy in a crappy plane like that and he won, I would have him and told him to go land his kills. I wouldn't have come back in a LA7 to run him down.

Then just yesterday I'm in a Hurri 2 (granted a hurri 2 isn't a bad ride). I  end up killing 4 guys again at a enemy base, with a few pretty good fights. I was down to roughly 32 rounds of ammo with two shot out cannons. So in effect I was pretty much defenseless.

I tried to get out of there wasn't a ton of cons there pretty much just 3 guys. I'm trying to leave with no cons close to me, but I see two Nikki's in one in the air one just upping.  I'm low and slow and the first one catches me as I'm trying to retreat. I do a few turns and kill number 5 with the last few rounds I have, with a lucky shot to his cockpit.

Now Nikki number 2 wasn't real close but now he was turning to me. I'm low and slow with no ammo at all left so I typed out on 200 that was good fights but I'm bingo and trying to go home. Nikki number two continues to run me down even after saying I was bingo on ammo a second time. Of course with pretty much no defense I get killed.

It was a well known player from the MA, so I sent him a PM asking him why he couldn't just let me fly home and land my kills. His response was "that's your problem, you lost".

That right there sums up the crap attitude in the current MA's and the total lack of respect the average player has for "the fight" or other players. Which is IMO really hurts the enjoyability of this game a hell of a lot. Hence the reason I'd like to see something get started for at least 1 night a week.

I understand and respect your position on this matter, and I think you would be whole lot happier in the DA, AVA, or in a special event.  Rather than whining too much, you actually proposed an intelligent idea, kudos to you.  I would never ask for mercy on 200, it's like painting a target on your plane.  Stop tuning 200, and assume everything red is trying to kill you (because they are).

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by bswin03
Makes you actually fly and not rely on the advantages your plane has over the next guy.  

You should always rely on the advantages your plane has over then next guy.  Almost every plane can beat almost every plane if flow to it's strengths while exploiting the other guys weaknesses.

That parts no different in any arena.

[The Fugitive]

In the old days.... read AW, and early AH1.... there was an "honor" amongst the pilots you called bingo, most time you were allowed to leave. Those who "cried wolf" got a reputation and were NOT allowed to RTB, again it was an "honor" kind of thing. Those were the days where the folks that were flying were flying for the history. It wasn't a "game" we were all playing "war". You knew the planes, you knew the history surrounding the planes, you knew the battles, the fronts, and so on. "The Lexington" wasn't just a name, it was an aircraft carreier rich in history.

Today with so many people with access to the internet, and so many games available the history is lost. People are just jumping from one game to the next looking for the "next thing" to blow some time on. My guess would be that only about a third of those who fly now are like the "old pilots", but even those are starting to go over to the "dark side". many a time I've had one of those players from the old school chase me down even after I've called bingo, or pilot wounded. They have fallen into "if ya can't beat them, join them" attitude. They are tired of trying to be "honorable" and get walked all over, so they do on to others BEFORE they do on to you.

Oh well, great sentiments, but it will never come back. Those days are gone, to bad to, it was even more fun back then..... if you can imagine that
 

[crockett]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
You should always rely on the advantages your plane has over then next guy.  Almost every plane can beat almost every plane if flow to it's strengths while exploiting the other guys weaknesses.

That parts no different in any arena.

I think he means, say for instance a LA7. It has so much power and speed, any noob can fly it and not have to worry too much if he makes mistakes or not.

The plane is a crutch for the pilot in most cases and instead of making them learn to fight properly in most cases it allows them to be sloppy and not have to learn real ACM.


Back on the subject at hand. The idea I'm proposing isn't meant to try to change the way the MA is or what ever. It's just meant to provide a place that people know they can find good clean fights, with out getting gangbanged all the time.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by The Fugitive
In the old days.... read AW, and early AH1.... there was an "honor" amongst the pilots you called bingo, most time you were allowed to leave. Those who "cried wolf" got a reputation and were NOT allowed to RTB, again it was an "honor" kind of thing. Those were the days where the folks that were flying were flying for the history. It wasn't a "game" we were all playing "war". You knew the planes, you knew the history surrounding the planes, you knew the battles, the fronts, and so on. "The Lexington" wasn't just a name, it was an aircraft carreier rich in history.

 

In those days, you were much more likely to know the guy you were fighting than you are today. If I know the guy today (and consider him an "honorable opponent"), I will let him go. Back in "the day", for a larger percentage of players, it really was about the fight...and not the kill.

[crockett]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
In those days, you were much more likely to know the guy you were fighting than you are today. If I know the guy today (and consider him an "honorable opponent"), I will let him go. Back in "the day", for a larger percentage of players, it really was about the fight...and not the kill.

So why don't we as players make it happen? All it takes is guys that like the fight to do something about it. The arena's are what the players make of them IMO.

[storch]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
In those days, you were much more likely to know the guy you were fighting than you are today. If I know the guy today (and consider him an "honorable opponent"), I will let him go. Back in "the day", for a larger percentage of players, it really was about the fight...and not the kill.

for some of us newer people (I got my very firsy PC at age 46 in 2003) it has pretty much been about the thrill of the fight and I never played AW and 2003 is "back in the day" for me.  it's an individual preference I'm sure you had nub knockers back then too

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by crockett
So why don't we as players make it happen? All it takes is guys that like the fight to do something about it. The arena's are what the players make of them IMO.

Not to be a total ahole...but because the majority of players don't care. In the 'old days', the vast majority of players were adults and they were paying a premium price to play. Bottomline, you get what you pay for.

[crockett]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
Not to be a total ahole...but because the majority of players don't care. In the 'old days', the vast majority of players were adults and they were paying a premium price to play. Bottomline, you get what you pay for.

Well I wasn't here in the old days, so I can't say how they were. In Nov I'll have been in this game 1 year and even myself as somewhat of a noob to the game can see the MA has gone down hill.

We get what we pay for or we make the best of what we have.. Hence the reason I put forth the idea. I'm up for putting effort into having at least one night a week worth of good clean fights. So I don't see why other wouldn't be willing to try aswell.