Author Topic: defeat the hoarde...easy (Read 2833 times)

The Fugitive · « **Reply #45 on:** October 08, 2007, 10:05:42 AM »

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Originally posted by lyric1
Yes & these ww2 simulation's of aircraft & vehicles are best used in hoards to take base's. So even if HT logic is correct that the game is not about being a ww2 simulation he has created that even if that was not his intent. You never had a lone b17 flying to Germany on it's own to bomb a city or factory they had a thousand of them. Just as it is in the game a lone b17 or a formation of 3 as we have in the game now can't take out a base & town on it's own. So if you have 2 sets of b17's is that a hoard??? No... & guess what you still can't shut down a base or a town with 2 sets of planes. So the hoard is needed to get the job done to take bases & win the map so it will always be part of the game for those who want to take bases.

comparing this GAME to WWII is just plain stupid. 2 groups of 17 an M3 or goon can take a base with ease, you couldn't do that in WWII. In WWII more fights ended in one guy running and other letting him go than they did in kills, and you know that pretty much NEVER happens in this GAME.

The "horde" is a by product of lack of skill, and today's society of wanting everything NOW, going the quickest and easiest way. Nobody wants to work for anything anymore. 60% (my guess) of the people who fly feel the only way to survive is to be one of many targets, they are playing the odds someone else will get killed, not them, instead of taking the time to learn some skills so they can fight their way out of a fight on there own.

dedalos · « **Reply #46 on:** October 08, 2007, 10:46:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Virage

I also think it is strange that the game models the "Destroy the Town To Save It"
logic. Is this something we want to normalize to kids?

I'll pay you to go away. How match would it cost?

SteveBailey · « **Reply #47 on:** October 08, 2007, 10:58:25 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
picking and running isn't everyone's idea of fun.

I didn't say anything about running. I don't care what you put in your mouth, but I'm not going to allow you to put anything in mine. If I make an attack on an enemy and he isn't in a furball fighting someone else... that's no pick and it's certainly not my fault he was too busy waiting his turn to vulch and not watching anywhere else.

Take your faux holier-than-thou attitude and pound sand. Your idea of fun seems to be griefing on anyone who doesn't fly the game the way you want them to. I've seen it and read it from you time and time again. As if you somehow have the moral high ground in this game simply because you suck.

shamroc · « **Reply #48 on:** October 08, 2007, 11:04:11 AM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
I am closing in on playing this game for 6 years, and I never remember just taking out the ack and then drop troops for a capture. Granted, the towns back then were very small, but all the buildings had to be down for the capture.

Hoarding changed requirements which begat larger hordes.

I honestly think that if we got rid of "pubic" individual rankings ... things would definately change for the better.

Don't get rid of stats ... just do away with individual ranking.

I agree - getting rid of (at least public) individual score would take away the motivation of being a scorepotato. Gameplay would dramatically improve for the better IMHO. People would play for fun and action, rather than score.

Shamroc

FALCONWING · « **Reply #49 on:** October 08, 2007, 11:10:50 AM »

i agree there is nothing that can be done to stop "hoarding."

i think larger maps encourage smaller fights however...

if the question is "what can be done to make hoarding less effective?" then i strongly recommend reducing the number of barracks at an airfield and the fuel as well. i am not a fan of easily killing ord at noncoastal bases because it simply allows gvs to overrun bases...

i like the increased acks at fields because it slows down vulch parties but having 8-10 barracks almost requires a horde to pork em and live thru the ack. i do miss the older days when i could up a cannon plane and take out troops when we were outmanned....but with many bases having multiple spawns it is futile to even try to pork because a few outnumbered folks dont have a prayer to take out the troops around a field.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #50 on:** October 08, 2007, 11:15:06 AM »

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Originally posted by shamroc
I agree - getting rid of (at least public) individual score would take away the motivation of being a scorepotato. Gameplay would dramatically improve for the better IMHO. People would play for fun and action, rather than score.

Shamroc

Maybe they could have an arena where no scores are posted. Just a quick thought, forgive me if it's a dumb idea.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #51 on:** October 08, 2007, 11:34:09 AM »

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Originally posted by shamroc
I agree - getting rid of (at least public) individual score would take away the motivation of being a scorepotato. Gameplay would dramatically improve for the better IMHO. People would play for fun and action, rather than score.

Shamroc

While I do attempt to play for rank/score (even though I've never ranked higher than in the 30's), I play just as much for fun and action. I don't think they are mutually exclusive.

lyric1 · « **Reply #52 on:** October 08, 2007, 12:28:33 PM »

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Originally posted by The Fugitive comparing this GAME to WWII is just plain stupid. 2 groups of 17 an M3 or goon can take a base with ease, My post said two sets of b17's could not shut down a base & town & they cant. Made no mention of destroying town alone. IN your description yes possible if no one shows up to defend, E/w, M/W arenas very easy to do.... not so late war with equal numbers on from all 3 teams.

The Fugitive · « **Reply #53 on:** October 08, 2007, 01:48:09 PM »

I've done it LW, but the point of the post was you mention hundreds of bombers, and here I point out you can do it with 2 groups of 3.

This is a game, Principles of war just don't apply. I've never heard of a tank battle where most of one side was slaughtered while coming onto the battle field(spawn camping). Lancs don't "dive bomb" nor where there many CV GROUPS sunk with dive bomb buffs. Its a game, and different rules apply.

storch · « **Reply #54 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:18:04 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
I'm a picker and runner and storch struck a nerve

that's what I see in that outburst

SteveBailey · « **Reply #55 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:35:36 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
that's what I see in that outburst

Fortunately what you see matters to me not at all.

storch · « **Reply #56 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:42:47 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Fortunately what you see matters to me not at all.

then why bother responding?

SteveBailey · « **Reply #57 on:** October 08, 2007, 05:59:34 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
then why bother responding?

So you are clear that I understand you are a self righteous jackprettythang.

Citabria · « **Reply #58 on:** October 08, 2007, 06:35:08 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
You guys are not seeing the upside to the horde. Finding the horde means no shortage of targets, no dearth of planes to kill. Certainly if you want to TnB(no, there's nothing wrong with TnB) flying into a horde might not be a great idea.
For sheer horde busting good times a fast plane well flown will reward you with many cries of dismay from the hordelings since most of them don't bother to look around them as they are busy hording.

I love to hear whines from hordelings... the irony of someone complaining about getting killed as they flew in the swarm is just wonderfully amusing to me. Even now, typing this, I have to smile.

I always fly for the team w/ the fewest numbers so I'm assured of finding a horde or two to go after. We all know I'm without skills, I hear it all the time. Think of what the truly talented players could do to the horde.

lol steve it makes me smile too

storch · « **Reply #59 on:** October 08, 2007, 06:44:47 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
So you are clear that I understand you are a self righteous jackprettythang.

coming from you I consider it a compliment. continue running and picking.