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« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2007, 04:02:49 PM »
See, this is the problem with the game.  U don't die, so there no loss in ho'in but that u may or maynot die virtually.  This promotes the noobs to do nothing more then become a Air Quake, Doom, etc..  Basically spray and pray and move on to the next plane.  In AW U couldn't HO, which that game made real virtual pilots, because U actually had to maneuv to someones 6 to kill them.  Any shot taken at the 11-1:00 postition would deny ya the kill on a headon plane.  This is the main reason why the fun factor in AW was great.  It actually required some skill to kill there.
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« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2007, 04:13:38 PM »
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It takes two to HO, period.  It takes one to make a angles shot on a plane coming toward you.  If your oponent is avoiding then it is no longer a HO.
How dare anyone shoot anyone anywhere but the six!!!!!!!!!!!
Wrong.   But then again you appear to be "set in your beliefs".  

As for HO'ing in General.   If I'm outnumbered I'll have NO QUALMS on HO'ing.   Ditto is said for the opposite happening.   Anytime else besides shooting down bombers, it is skilless.
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« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2007, 04:14:12 PM »
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I know I'm in for a good fight when I merge with someone and they don't try to HO me....  The ones that try to HO usually find themselves dead after a pass or two.  Funny how that works....
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« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2007, 04:14:35 PM »
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People of aces high i am sick of everyone thinking hoing is a bad thing.In world war 2 pilots hoed,everybody hoed !Now in the content of the game the (ho) isnt bad intell someone colides .Other than that people need to stop whinning because the got shot dwn by a bad thing so called (ho) .Most caes are when someone hos something with cannon and they dont have cannon :cry .HOEN IS OK AS LONG AS (u dont colide);)



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« Reply #49 on: October 08, 2007, 04:16:46 PM »
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« Reply #50 on: October 08, 2007, 04:23:41 PM »
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It takes two to HO, period.  It takes one to make a angles shot on a plane coming toward you.  If your oponent is avoiding then it is no longer a HO.
How dare anyone shoot anyone anywhere but the six!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm sorry but that's just lame justification for a skilless shot.

If you fly at someone with the intent to HO, they try to avoid it and you get them on the deflection it's still a HO.  You had every intent to HO the whole time.
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« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2007, 05:34:28 PM »
I love ho'rs.

Out of the thousands upon thousands of ho attempts made at me per tour, typically I get hit only a handfull of times.

Pilots that only Head On are super easy kills and I thank them for not taking the time or effort to learn how to fly.

I would rather a hard fought 1 on 1, but blasting lemmings out of the skies in droves is still fairly amusing.

As far as Cmustard...
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In world war 2 pilots hoed,everybody hoed !

Kills per Death + 1     0.98    
Kills per Sortie     0.72    

So if this was WW2, you would have ALMOST shot down an nme, and died.  Game over.  You are Dead.

So if you want to "pretend" this is WW2, I would ask...  

Was it worth it?  Was your being Dead worth almost shooting down one plane?  If you were a WW2 pilot, would you consider your dying to almost kill someone a "good" or "smart" tactic?  

Would you maybe wish, right before you died shooting that nme in a Head On, that your instructors had taught you how to maneuver your plane so you could kill at least one enemy before dying?  

Or perhaps, in that instant before death, would you wish you had learned some basic Flight Maneuvers so that you would know how to fight, be able to kill bad guys, and possible make it home alive?

Yes pilots did Head On attacks in WW2.  (mosty when they held all the cards, and the risk of them dying was low).  No, putting yourself infront of the bad guys guns is not a good thing, and in general was avoided at all costs.
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« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2007, 05:47:36 PM »
If I actually want a fight, I will avoid the HO.


But if I want to defend a base from capture, I'll HO
(especially if I know they will whine and cry) :D
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« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2007, 05:58:05 PM »
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I don't advocate HO's in a 1 vs. 1, but there are times nonetheless.






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« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2007, 06:13:02 PM »
It does take 2 to turn to a 180 opposed head on mutual shot............. both did it if one didn't then it would not have happened........... ususally one ac is set up for it before another but for it to happen the other has to choose to turn in too............ unless of course he just wasn't actually watchin where he was going.

Its dumb to take it............. cos the odds are seriously higher than 50:50 that you will recieve damage........ even if you are in an ubber multi cannon tank etc etc.

Experten dont like it because some have a mythical code that says you have to manouvre to a bogies 6 before winning the kill.  Its fun but  it is a myth ...........there is no such  requirement and its basically "play my way" peer pressure stuff.

If you fight always trying to make lead turns to bogies nose  (using vert or not) to aquire angle then you will end up with loads of HO "opportunities" cos he will turn into you as often as not and some times  he will make that turn quicker than you expected.

As often as not you will be given a very acute forward angle for a very short duration snap shot opportunity

If you are always tempted to take the forward angle snap shot some will accuse you of a HO.........of course you just missed an opportunity to go to the next manouvre which properly executed would have made the next guns opportunity an even better angle.

Each time you miss the snap shot your angles get worse ............his get better

Plus you just told your opponent that you will take any snap shot going .................which means he (cos as luck has it he is an experten) is about to try to execute a manouvre that will end up with you overshooting..........

So you better choose the La7/Spit 16/N1K2/P51D cos

a) you can disengage and run away to fight another day....(he didn't shoot you down but make no mistake .......you lost that engagement)
b) after 1 dumb pass you may still have a chance to put stuff right on the 2nd.
c) the experten may treat you like a fool and try the exact over shoot manouvre you have been waiting for him to try:aok

and yes my weapon of choice is the Lavochkin.

I am just a lousy shot.
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« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2007, 06:24:25 PM »
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I'm sorry but that's just lame justification for a skilless shot.

If you fly at someone with the intent to HO, they try to avoid it and you get them on the deflection it's still a HO.  You had every intent to HO the whole time.


OH, your right a skilled pilot will refrain from any shooting solution other than one from the six.  Your sense of chivalry and even chances is so amazing, your the best.

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« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2007, 12:00:43 AM »
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If your oponent is avoiding then it is no longer a HO.


Brilliant.  So, first, I can't make a bee-line past you because then I would be participating in a HO, even if I don't pull the trigger.  But, if I tried to avoid the shot, then I'm giving up angles and deserve to get hit.  

I guess I should just stay in the tower.

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« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2007, 12:03:32 AM »
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Cmustard is a ****.   Little twit trolls like him are a dime a dozen in the MA and they are easier kills than they are morons!:aok

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« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2007, 01:02:02 AM »
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I'm sorry but that's just lame justification for a skilless shot.

If you fly at someone with the intent to HO, they try to avoid it and you get them on the deflection it's still a HO. You had every intent to HO the whole time.
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OH, your right a skilled pilot will refrain from any shooting solution other than one from the six.  Your sense of chivalry and even chances is so amazing, your the best.


Thank you.

Don't be ridiculous.  There are plenty of other shots than a pure six.  Personally, I prefer full profile snapshots but that's just me.

And don't get me wrong, I will HO in very advanageous situations (say in a 190A-8 against a non-cannoned or lightly cannoned bird if they initiate the HO and I'm mearly accepting or after the fight is already on).

You're contention is that if you go for the HO on the merge and the guy trys to break and you get the deflection it isn't a HO at all.  Technically you are correct but it's just, as I said, a lame excuse to justify the HO when you get called out on 200 for it.

"Who?  Me?  I didn't HO.  It was a deflection shot!"

BS!

It takes one to initiate the HO.  It takes two to HO and accept.  Period.

[EDIT]  In a true deflection shot your opponent never gets a guns solution.  In HO avoidance your opponent definitely HAD the chance for a guns solution and didn't take it.  At that point you simply took the cheap shot which is not a true deflection.  It's still a HO.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2007, 01:14:21 AM by BaldEagl »
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« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2007, 02:28:52 AM »
dang, cant sleep and suppose to wake up in 2 hours.........

just think for a second.....if HTC was to put a randomizer or small  shield  in the game to where people who tryed to shoot head on shots only had a 1 in 100 chance of making it work.........look how many "Whining Threads" Aces High BBS would have............


you would prob lose around 66% of the player base because they to lazy, to go learn how to actually gain angles and learn a bit of BFM's and how to apply them........

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I think everyone has there opinion about the mattter and were all pretty correct in my opinion. But im strickly talking about people that think hoeing is bad for instence someone will say (ya nice ho) A ho is a clean shot ather u win or u loose!As long as u colide ho's are perfectly fine no matter what people say about it because fact of matter is that ww2 pilots hoed ,everyone hoed in the war but my main topic from the beginning in typing this Topic was to tell people hoeing really isnt a bad thing!



seriously, how did you come to the conclusion that everyone is pretty correct in your opinion?

and what does ww2 pilots actions have to do with people playing Aces High?
and why are you trying to learn history from a media pumped up for ratings history channel instead of digging up factual information about  what really happened..........you are either a trolling and doing it quite poorly, or are in junior high school and need to read more and watch TV less..................funny how nowadays they let kids PRINT their reports right from an online encyclopedia and turn it in as the kids own self generated work......talk about "EASY BUTTON"


btw this game does offer training clinics and has some very good pilots to help you truly learn no matter if they are designated trainers or not!
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