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Offline BiGBMAW

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« on: October 08, 2007, 09:51:05 AM »
1) I have LIMITED time to play...maybe an hour a week

2) I have a squad I like to fly with, we are rarely on at same time, So if they a show up Id like to be where we fly KNIGHTS!!

3)I get denied flying planes I enjoy.


We are at a base with larger red Dar bars then we have...and I'm getting restricted on what planes I fly.


This ENY thing is horrible, for the people like me with a limited time to play and enjoy the plane we like to fly.


I am letting my account close.

This is my only way to show my dismay on a game I really enjoy, and have been a paying customer since AW died. Its a dam shame.

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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2007, 09:57:09 AM »
sir, in life and in this is and other games the only constant is change.  while I agree with what you post and understand that it can be a frustration I will point out that the game has markedly improved since these changes were implemented.  perhaps your limited time online prevents you from fully appreciating how much better the game is now even though there is still much room for refinement.

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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2007, 11:18:12 AM »
Country A = 100 players
Country B = 100 players
Country C = 150 players

Country C is ENY limited, but A & B are both concentrating on C so it's actually 200 vs 150, with the 150 getting worse planes.   Happens all the time.

No biggy for me because I like flying the higher number planes, but it is a common problem that the current ENY set-up does not handle well.

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2007, 11:53:10 AM »
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Originally posted by Gulp
Country A = 100 players
Country B = 100 players
Country C = 150 players

Country C is ENY limited, but A & B are both concentrating on C so it's actually 200 vs 150, with the 150 getting worse planes.   Happens all the time.

No biggy for me because I like flying the higher number planes, but it is a common problem that the current ENY set-up does not handle well.


Erm no. What numbers usualy look like is this.
a= 100
b=  90
c=  60

a&b gang c. That is the usual scenario.

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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2007, 11:56:35 AM »
There are lots of planes to enjoy.  Just cause you can't have your Spit 16 or LA7 doesn't mean all is lost :)
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2007, 12:14:56 PM »
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There are lots of planes to enjoy.  Just cause you can't have your Spit 16 or LA7 doesn't mean all is lost :)


Very broad statement.  Last night I was at the base where the fight was.  Don't know what country I was in but the first flight was with a low eny if not 0.  I landed and tried to up again but ENY was at 29.  No biggie, I took a Ki61 and had some fun but, that base was being horded by D9s, p51s, Tempests, Tiffies etc.  No way to catch anyone after their failed vulch or pick.

My point is that I was defending a base being horded already.  If I changed countries to avoid the ENY I would have been adding to the problem.  ENY was an idea to try and help some situation.  It does not work.  The hordes are still there and in some situations like the above, it may have the opposite effect.

Lose it and bring back the big maps please.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2007, 12:19:38 PM »
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Originally posted by Gulp
Country A = 100 players
Country B = 100 players
Country C = 150 players

Country C is ENY limited, but A & B are both concentrating on C so it's actually 200 vs 150, with the 150 getting worse planes.   Happens all the time.

No biggy for me because I like flying the higher number planes, but it is a common problem that the current ENY set-up does not handle well.


I understand that ENY or some other feature is needed for side balancing, but ENY can have unintended consequences.  Country A player logs on to find the scenario detailed above.  Hmm... do I fight B or C.  C has no La7s or Spit16s.  Hmm...  C it is.  Inadvertently, ENY has contributed to the ganging of C.

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2007, 12:23:41 PM »
How about instead of limiting planes you can fly as the Eny goes up, to having planes cost perks when the Eny is unbalanced.

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2007, 12:29:58 PM »
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I understand that ENY or some other feature is needed for side balancing, but ENY can have unintended consequences.  Country A player logs on to find the scenario detailed above.  Hmm... do I fight B or C.  C has no La7s or Spit16s.  Hmm...  C it is.  Inadvertently, ENY has contributed to the ganging of C.


Wich is far better than ganging any other country, as C has the most players ;)

But in this game reality it's rarely such simple as it seems. I have seen the country with numbers being ganged, and I have seen both big teams piling upon a team with only 16% of player base.

If one team is ganged or not depends on many factors:
Current map layout, if they are established fronts with close targets, if two country's have both their start airfield (the one were a  newly entering player appears) close to the third one. Also current state of war plays a role - from which country do you need a few more bases to win? Are there any squad nights? (Some sqds go for easy captures, some fly to the biggest red bar they see)
Add to that some pure randomness and a spoon of lemming behaviour.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2007, 12:32:44 PM »
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How about instead of limiting planes you can fly as the Eny goes up, to having planes cost perks when the Eny is unbalanced.


That idea was, among other, discussed when ENY limit was first introduced. If I remember right, the first balancing idea was limiting numbers in flight, then adding some perk costs for planes, disabling side switching ect.
After some brainstorming within the community & HTC, our ENY system was devised & put in place.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2007, 12:34:21 PM »
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Very broad statement.  Last night I was at the base where the fight was.  Don't know what country I was in but the first flight was with a low eny if not 0.  I landed and tried to up again but ENY was at 29.  No biggie, I took a Ki61 and had some fun but, that base was being horded by D9s, p51s, Tempests, Tiffies etc.  No way to catch anyone after their failed vulch or pick.

My point is that I was defending a base being horded already.  If I changed countries to avoid the ENY I would have been adding to the problem.  ENY was an idea to try and help some situation.  It does not work.  The hordes are still there and in some situations like the above, it may have the opposite effect.

Lose it and bring back the big maps please.


Conversely, I've been in the same position only being ganged and cherrypicked by A8's and 38G's.  I really didn't notice that big a difference.

I rarely fly high ENY planes anyway, so I have no problem with ENY the way it is.

Just seems to me to be an issue with instant gratification and "I want things the way -I- want things."  

Don't get things your way?  Going to close your account?  We'll miss you.  Been nice flying with you.  It's your loss as well.  Although, I guess it isn't since you're sick of the 'old' maps and not getting things your way.

Purely a generalization and in no way meant as a personal attack BigBMAW.  

This is just getting to be like another "I want a nook" thread.  Maps and ENY.

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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2007, 12:36:21 PM »
First and foremost I am truly sorry to see your willingness to quit.  ENY is not the enemy, rather it is the system you have to work within.  There are so many options available to you to workaround…fly different planes, find another squad, switch sides (you or the whole squad), logon outside of peak hours, switch arenas, etc.   Hang in there, and fly when you can, in whatever you can!
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2007, 12:44:12 PM »
:cry :cry :cry

That is all this thread is about.  "I can't fly my eL gAy-7." :cry  "I can't fly my spitoon-16." :cry  "I can't pwn jo n00bs in my l337 h4X0r pane." :cry "Hitech the other two countries are ganging up on us." :cry

Learn to fly all types of planes, so that if you do run into an ENY issue you won't be tempted to post :cry threads.

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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2007, 12:48:59 PM »
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Conversely, I've been in the same position only being ganged and cherrypicked by A8's and 38G's.  I really didn't notice that big a difference.

I rarely fly high ENY planes anyway, so I have no problem with ENY the way it is.

Just seems to me to be an issue with instant gratification and "I want things the way -I- want things."  

Don't get things your way?  Going to close your account?  We'll miss you.  Been nice flying with you.  It's your loss as well.  Although, I guess it isn't since you're sick of the 'old' maps and not getting things your way.

Purely a generalization and in no way meant as a personal attack BigBMAW.  

This is just getting to be like another "I want a nook" thread.  Maps and ENY.

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Where in my post did you see anything of what you mentioned?  Did you even read it?
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2007, 12:54:22 PM »
Like I've said before, I think ENY needs to be localized to within say, a nine or twentyfive sector area around where you take off from (one to two sectors all around your take-off sector).

It would help in a lot of ways.

Of course there would have to be a number of players floor so if you're taking off deep in your own territory you're not getting hammered on ENY needlessly.
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