Author Topic: Whats a player, and whats a gamer (Read 1576 times)

A8TOOL · « **on:** October 10, 2007, 02:08:55 AM »

Whats a player and what's a gamer. I thought i was a gamer because i play this game on the internet and different sports games on xbox.

Seriously, I don't know what the definitions mean here in AH.

play·er /ˈpleɪər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pley-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.   a person or thing that plays.
2.   a person who takes part or is skilled in some game or sport.
3.   a person who plays parts on the stage; an actor.
4.   a performer on a musical instrument.
5.   Informal. a participant, as in a conference or business deal.
6.   a sound- or image-reproducing machine: a record player; a cassette player; a videodisc player.
7.   a gambler.
8.   Slang. a person engaged in illicit or illegal activity, esp. a pimp.
9.   a mechanical device by which a musical instrument, as a player piano, is played automatically.

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game1 /geɪm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[geym] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, adjective, gam·er, gam·est, verb, gamed, gam·ing.
–noun
1.   an amusement or pastime: children's games.
2.   the material or equipment used in playing certain games: a store selling toys and games.
3.   a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.

–adjective Gamer
16.   pertaining to or composed of animals hunted or taken as game or to their flesh.
17.   having a fighting spirit; plucky.
18.   Informal. having the required spirit or will (often fol. by for or an infinitive): Who's game for a hike through the woods?
–verb (used without object)
19.   to play games of chance for stakes; gamble.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 10, 2007, 02:43:22 AM »

You are working way too hard at this

pluck · « **Reply #2 on:** October 10, 2007, 05:55:26 AM »

At least in AH speak.

Player would be a person who plays the game, be it strat, furballing and plays for the sake of flying the aircraft. They might score high, but not a priority as gameplay is. It is a short definition, because it is a general term, refering to many different types of players. Thet are generally a good part of the community, both in numbers and personalilty.

Gamers seek out other ways such as manipulating score to give themselves high ranking with little effort, pork' n' auger to drop a target saving themselves time by not having to fly home. Repeatedly suiciding a CV would be gaming. Flying to vulch without trying to take the field, gaming. Spawn camping, gaming. Basically they are trying to game the game in any way to give themselves an advantage, without actually playing the game.

Generally players tend to see gamers as a bane of existence in the virtual skies of AH. They tend to be younger in age, though not always. Generally not interested in the history of aircraft. Generally not good for the community as they add little or nothing to gameply, immersion, or community.

So, in the real world, I'm a gamer.

In AH, gamer is a bad word and wouldn't want to be called one.

The Fugitive · « **Reply #3 on:** October 10, 2007, 07:08:36 AM »

To me, a player is someone who playes the game. Whether you fly fighters, bomb, capture bases, or GV. If you enjoy these things just for the sake of the "enjoyment", your a player. If they threw out the score board and you don't notice, your a player. You spend almost as much time talking about the "great fight" you had the other night, or how your squad got lucky and stole a base from a bunch of guys that were defending it, as you do actually doing these things.

A gamer is someone who will do anything to win, and by winning I mean posting scores. You capture bases because you need goonie points to boost your score, and you get mad when someone else troops beat yours in. You bomb strat because they are easy to hit and you can rack up points quick, not because it will hinder the other team. You fly LAs and spit16's and do nothing but HO because its easy and quickest way to win a fight. The only enjoyment for a gamer is to see his score go up each day.

NoBaddy · « **Reply #4 on:** October 10, 2007, 07:38:21 AM »

Players play.

Gamers care about the definition of "gamer".

Latrobe · « **Reply #5 on:** October 10, 2007, 07:56:57 AM »

Player = plays AH for more than 150 hours a tour

LYNX · « **Reply #6 on:** October 10, 2007, 08:25:40 AM »

What I was getting at when I said "gamer" is partly described above by Pluck and The Fugitive, although I disagree with some of his examples.

In reality yes... we are all gamers by the very fact we sit at computers "playing" a game. It's not a flight sim in my mind because it's far to easy to actually fly but having said that even if it was a sim it would still be classed as a game.

Is it a game that's far to easy to "game" the game? In some respects it very easy to "game" and some become seduced by it. By that I mean they blur this aspect. They would cry foul if their secret mission was given away but condone for instance, the sinking of a cv by any means possible or a "Rinse & Repeat" attitude.

So where do we draw the line? What philosophy should or indeed does one use?

The end justify the means?
Is it really that important or does it degenerate game play?
Because I can I will?
Many things are not coded like gravity in or on a bomb bay. "Rinse and repeat" isn't coded. Is it ok to do these things or does it degenerate game play?
They do it so I will to?
Well bully for them but do we have to join in with these antic. Would it be better to achieve by fair means or foul?

If everyone on every side did things the easy way we would choke the life outta this game. It's easier to kill something than to bring it back to life. It's even easier to say it's my 15 bucks, nanana!:rolleyes:

Hap · « **Reply #7 on:** October 10, 2007, 08:45:06 AM »

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Originally posted by LYNX
It's easier to kill something than to bring it back to life. It's even easier to say it's my 15 bucks, nanana!:rolleyes:

And a lousy trump card in a honest discussion too. As a "gamey" quip to cheap seats it gets worked overtime too.

MjTalon · « **Reply #8 on:** October 10, 2007, 08:53:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
You are working way to hard at this

agreed

FiLtH · « **Reply #9 on:** October 10, 2007, 08:54:58 AM »

One man's player is another man's gamer. What I mean is, say I take a fighter into a furball with little hope of living through it. The cherry picker would look down and say Im just gamey. Trying to get more total kills or something. Where I would look up at him and call him gamey because he doesnt want to get his hands dirty and risk having a death on his record.

Chalenge · « **Reply #10 on:** October 10, 2007, 08:56:47 AM »

I had a custom desk built with stick throttle trims mixture and prop controls in place similar to the P51 layout. I wish the mixture control was available in AH but the radio channels would be full of questions about why the plane cant go any higher than 11k. My point is that discerning the difference is a matter of opinion largely and all it would take is a small change in the game details and more or less gamers would be generated depending on your viewpoint.

Shuffler · « **Reply #11 on:** October 10, 2007, 09:33:30 AM »

Anyone ever Play a Gamer?

OK the Test Results are in....

A "Player" is one who has all the great looking chicks in his plane, boat, or tank.

A "Gamer" is one who bathes only on the 29th of February.

VonMessa · « **Reply #12 on:** October 10, 2007, 09:54:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Shuffler
Anyone ever Play a Gamer?

OK the Test Results are in....

A "Player" is one who has all the great looking chicks in his plane, boat, or tank.

A "Gamer" is one who bathes only on the 29th of February.

Would that make them gamey? (Holds nose)

hubsonfire · « **Reply #13 on:** October 10, 2007, 10:12:12 AM »

Uh oh, someone called someone else a name, huh?

MajIssue · « **Reply #14 on:** October 10, 2007, 10:27:59 AM »

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Originally posted by LYNX
In reality yes... we are all gamers by the very fact we sit at computers "playing" a game. It's not a flight sim in my mind because it's far to easy to actually fly but having said that even if it was a sim it would still be classed as a game.

I agree AND disagree with you lynx... It is a flight sim in that the flight properties of MOST of the aircraft represented are close to accurate [you will stall a FW190 at 105 MPH] but with auto takeoff it is very easy to get airborne. For a player without real world flying experience, takeoffs and landings [which are the most difficult skills to master in any aircraft] would make the sky in the aces high world a lonely place. The act of flying an airplane is relatively easy, but getting into the air and back on to the ground is NOT!
My own personal feeling is that if you "play" the game your score will take care of itself. I could care less what my score is... I don't get a discount off my subscription if I'm number 1! Also I like nothing better than to break up vulches and kill spawn campers [gamers]. I will spawn limitless times to kill a spawn camper just so he can't land his 43 kills in whatever Gv he's in and will troll B17s over a vulch, empty just to pick off 5 or 6 vulchers [err gamers].