Well It just Finished!

[ROC]

Don't try Dan, there are far more players on the Axis that are in the same mode you are.

Fester is convinced this scenario was deliberately designed to thwart the Axis.  

I guess I should have not went with the No Logs Post afterall.  I mean, we all can count, and know where things stand.

If That's all it would have taken to change his opinion, then much was missed anyway, so it really doesn't matter.

[Shaky]

Originally posted by Citabria
I got spanked so now I'm going to try to ruin it for everyone

There...fixed.

[Shaky]

Originally posted by ROC
Don't try Dan, there are far more players on the Axis that are in the same mode you are.

Fester is convinced this scenario was deliberately designed to thwart the Axis.  

I guess I should have not went with the No Logs Post afterall.  I mean, we all can count, and know where things stand.

If That's all it would have taken to change his opinion, then much was missed anyway, so it really doesn't matter.

Hmm..I know this frame went very well for us (Allied), but still not sure about frame 1.  We had a lot of buffs get nailed before the drop...generally NOT a good thing.

Really going to bed now....sorry I'm not gonna see you flying ROC.

[Citabria]

Originally posted by Shaky
....So you can keep blaming everyone else, or you could actually come up with a plan for victory. Don't tell me its impossible....

well the irony is my origional plan was a good counter to your frame 2 tactics but ROC and many others disagreed with it and I bowed to their wishes and listened to their reasoning.

they prefered I use the same plan I used since beta which was only meant to be used once. worked even worse the third time.

[Shaky]

Originally posted by Citabria
well the irony is my origional plan was a good counter to your frame 2 tactics but ROC and many others disagreed with it and I bowed to their wishes and listened to their reasoning.

they prefered I use the same plan I used since beta which was only meant to be used once. worked even worse the third time.

If thats true, then I'd say you just learned a valuable lesson....

When asked to lead...LEAD!

[Raptor]

Fencer changed the Frame 2 plans last minute because someone who had already seen the Frame 2 plans switched. There was a lot of grumbling on the Allied side beause of this. What I find funny is the 190s we were so concerned about were seen far south near the original frame 2 plans.

[Guppy35]

So it was ROC's fault?  You were coerced into going with another plan?

Probably time for Galland and the boys to throw their medals in the chamber pot and send it back to Georing

I hope this one runs again someday so I can fly Luftwaffe.  I kinda have an interest  in those JG300 guys.  I'd like to try my hand from the other side and see how it works.

Gotta believe I could have fun that way too.

[ROC]

You mean the plan where you wanted to take all our fighters and put them in the middle against all their fighters, ignoring the bombers because you were ticked last frame cause you got jumped south?

The plan where I wanted to split up and take a north south approach?  Where they actually Went?

The plan that killed more fighters than they killed like I showed you?

That one?

Ok, my bad

[ROC]

What Fester is missing is his plans Worked.  We did Well.  Very Well.

Some didn't see action.

Honestly, I don't know what he's going off on, we did well last frame also and he went off.  It's like he's taking it personally that the event was designed to thwart him.

I don't know, maybe it's propaganda, but it's also demoralizing for those who are enjoying the event.

So, that's why I am stepping aside, Clearly his plans need to accommodate those who Aren't.

Valid reasoning, it's his team and he needs to look out for those he wants to promote.

[Hornet33]

Why is he banging on the Allies for flying in a horde??? Seems everything I've EVER seen on TV or read in a book concerning the subject, the Allies flew that way. Bombers at high alt in massed tight formations with fighter cover. Hmmmm that's just what we did today.

As far as the Allies having an "unfair" advantage, well Germany lost the war so here we are again being historicly accurate. Germanys biggest problem during the war was it's leadership. Seems this is the case this time around as well....again historicly accurate.

I also find it a bit strange that the Axis were concentrated along the original flight plan for this frame. Luckily for the Allies we had good leaders that changed the plan as soon as they found out there MIGHT be a security leak. I'm not accusing anyone of anything but it is odd as others have also commented on.

Regardless, I never even saw a german plane today. Heard there were a couple that came near our formation but that was it. Never saw an icon. Only thing I had to worry about was flying a tight formation and dropping on the target. Would have been nice to see some action but all in all I still had a fun time.

[Citabria]

ah the cheating alegations of foul play this is always my favorite.

truth is we have used the same plan every single frame. the objective to be prepared for every attack by zone defence.

we were always at a4 and a37 waiting for you.

every single frame. only after 3 frames you found that the north group was weaker than the south group as its been since beta.

we didnt spot your b17s only reports up north were b24s so we waited for b17s to be spotted. they never were. safely in the big blob of enemy planes.

the first thought I had was they must all be in b24s as I raced up there.

not till the b17s were rtb did they get called out as b17s.

I have dealt with being called a cheater for 8 years now. I've not done so and always played legitimately by the rules of the game.

only person I asked to be transfered to Axis was Xtrmej1 when I asked if he would rather fly with the muppets and he said yes. so I asked if he could switch in the design forum. he never visited the allied forums or read the allied junkmail. muppets may lack manners but they have integrity in such matters of cheating or rule breaking. I would never ask of him that info and he would never say.

the only other person I asked as to why they were flying allies was steve. I didnt ask him to join the axis I asked why when the whole squad is over here he is there as a walkon?

I find it odd these acusations when there are several allied players such as HB555 who have had access to the axis forums and all our plans the entire time. I never acused them a of cheating like I was I asked them why they were on the axis boards and they claimed to have never peaked.

I don't accuse people of cheating unlike some who just throw it out there like its candy. the danger is like wildfire in an online game.

[Guppy35]

 I was blinded by the glow from your Halo

You really want to do all this here Fester?

Integrity of which you speak involves having the common courtesy to communicate with the CO you told you were going to fly with on two occasions that you'd be there.

Barring that, it would be the courtesy to take a minute and say "I'd like to go fly Axis"  What do you think?

Nothing too complicated, just courtesy.

Again, this isn't about Muppets, it's about being CO of the Axis force.  Your allegience is to all of them not just the Muppets.  

As for accusing you of cheating, me thinks you protest too much.  We discussed XJ after the beta when he reiterated he was flying 38s and the issue was dead.  No one has been accusing you of cheating. but throwing that out there is a good way to get the focus off your antics the past week and apparently moving forward into this week

It becomes an easy deflection from the topic at hand which in the end is how you intend to present yourself and represent the LW in the remaining frames.

I'd suggest you get your priorities straight, decide if you can actually finish the scenario in good faith, and if so, began to represent your people in a positive way and help make this event a success.

[Stalls]

Originally posted by Citabria


did you check it after the arena locked when it was 150 vs 130?

Hi Fester,

I bet that after a day or so away from todays frame, you will probably be concluding this on your own not needing me to mention it, but well, it wasn't really 150 vs 130 fighters outnumbering you.  Some of those 150 were bombers too and i've never seen bombers horde up on fighters, on hangers maybe but not FW190s:) .  So could have actually been less than 130 Allied fighters against ya'll.  Also, I was with the escorts on the B17s, and it really was a large impressive looking horde, something no one would ever get to see in the main arenas for sure, however we never really saw enemy fighters to engage so we definately didn't "horde" against ya'll anywhere out there that I know of this frame.  Not criticising, lecturing, or talking down to you or anything (I wish forums had a "tone of voice" button you could highlight text with, heh), just noting that well there may be other things you also saw that have taken the fun out for you, you may just not have articulated accurately what might really have seemed wrong with the frame or perhaps just perceived the numbers balance to be worse than it was.

I bet, uncle Fester, if you just did your lightbulb bit for us out here a time or two, then we could all just chuckle a get back to being one big happy extrememly odd Adams Family toon plane people.

See your 262 zooming around us again next Saturday,
-Stalls

[Citabria]

my appologies to all for my outburst.
all it does is reinforce how immature I am .

to fencer. well played youve been one step ahead of me at every turn.

[Stalls]

Now, do the light bulb thing.  Come on, just once.  please. we wanna see the light bulb thing uncle Fester:)