Where is the History?

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by toonces3
I am interested in seeing CT in 2 weeks though.

I would be too. Sounds great! But...

I said it earlier, and will repeat again, the total lack or participation in the AvA arena tells me that most players are not interested in any type of 'historical' flying...whatever that is.

There is a whole arena with historical plane matchups, much better terrain, and other features like reduced radar, reduced vis range, etc. Yet, it is constantly unpopulated (see the AvA forum for THAT discussion lol).

The crowd has spoken. People want to quake it up in the MA. And not just any MA, but the Late War MA.

Exactly. And that's why I don't believe that CT will ever happen. I mean, why go to the trouble and expense of developing that if people are just going to want to "quake it up" in a late war MA? HTC could come out with that CT arena tomorrow, and after a honeymoon period, it would be as empty as the AvA arena is today, and for all the same reasons.

One thing I have observed in this and other games is that sadly, multiple arenas just don't seem to work. People always want to go where the numbers are. An exception to that is when scenarios are on, but I don't want to have to play by appointment and, like I said before, don't want to have to fly at 4am.

[RumbleB]

I think we should be hooked up to electrodes that give you a shock everytime you're hit.

[Rino]

It's a crying shame that everyone doesn't goosestep to the same beat, huh
guys.  It's almost as interesting reading these "you are doing it wrong because
you're not doing what I want" posts as listening to a guy with 3 months in
crying about the lack of new maps

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by toonces3
I said it earlier, and will repeat again, the total lack or participation in the AvA arena tells me that most players are not interested in any type of 'historical' flying...whatever that is.

There is a whole arena with historical plane matchups, much better terrain, and other features like reduced radar, reduced vis range, etc.  Yet, it is constantly unpopulated (see the AvA forum for THAT discussion lol).

 

Hmm, could the lack of participation have something to do with the "features" you mention? For me, reduced ranges inhibit, rather than enhance, game play. The historical maps, while historical, sometimes don't promote game play. Historical? Perhaps. Fun, haven't seen a lot of that. You might find that if the "features" were done away with for a few camps, the participation might be greater.

Heck, get HT to put the scores on the homepage, you could probably get plenty of score monkeys in there!!!

If the guys that have control of the AvA want to improve participation, they might want to look at changing what they are doing currently, because it isn't working.

[Stampf]

It's really very simple.

Real life Historical ariel combat was long hours of complete boredom punctuated by seconds of sheer terror.  Most people are not interested in, or have the time for long hours of complete boredom.  I am and I do, but those of us who put that above the quick gratification of the nearest furball are certainly the minority.

Hopefully CT becomes a reality and then maybe we shall see.

Also,...finding like minded guys and a like minded group to fly with can be a good start.  Make the game what you want it to be, heaven knows there is plenty of room and opportunity to do just about anything you want in AH.

[mussie]

Originally posted by VonKost
The problems I have had with both online games is the fact that there is no motivation to act in a historic manner.

Mate the only time I have every had an adrenaline rush playing AH is in the Special Events Arena...

In the first frame of my last scenario I found myself low on fuel and far far away from the field, I HAD to get my AR243 back to base, we had a limit and they were our scouts,

I informed my flight leader that I did not think I could get her home, The reply of my squadies was "If anyone can get her home you can" JG44  

I dumped my bombs and cut my engines, I glided from 20,000 feet making a beeline for home.

At around 1000 feet I fired her up and started to pray..

When I finnaly got the big beautiful bird down, I had less than a minute of fuel left....

Man what a feeling

I have not been to the SEA in a while

I dont know if I every will be again

But its not because I dont want to be........

The MA is a training ground...

The SEA is an adventure......

[VonKost]

I don't really think your right or wrong for playing in the sandbox arenas. You pay your money and do what you want. I enjoy flying with my squad as much as the next fellow. I do however think we are selling our experiences short.

haha, goosestep to the same beat. I'd like some historic gameplay and ask why we don't go that way, the logical conclusion is that I must be a Nazi! hahaha

[Louis XVII]

VonKost,

I don't think you're wrong at all. Given the popularity of quake-style gameplay or, as you put it, "quaking it up" (LOL!) I don't know why people play a WW2 sim like AH. If they want to quake it up, why not play... well, Quake!

[Murdr]

Louis since I have been playing online WWII flight sims like AH before Quake was even produced, and many others have been doing the same before the average person ever heard the word "internet"...I have to ask, who the hell are you?

[toonces3]

For closure I must respond-

I'm not saying others are playing 'wrong'- heck, I'm playing the same way guys.  I spend 90% of my time in the LW MA, so I'm part of the problem, not the solution.

All I am saying is that I too would prefer a game that emphasized historical play over the ACM sandbox.  

The potential for this does exist in AH2, but for a variety of reasons, it is not utilized in the AvA.  We have that discussion about once a week in the AvA forum and I'll leave it to them to figure out if something is broke or needs to be fixed.

I would have left already, but I found a group of guys that make the game alot more enjoyable.  I am fortunate to have found a squad of fellas all with the more or less same attitude as me, and I really enjoy flying with them.  I even bought the book, "Kearby's Thunderbolts" to learn more about our squad's namesake.  Stoney's a veritable history lesson and I learn alot about the game and real history flying with him.

As long as you're having fun, I guess that's the point.  But lately I've found myself logging on, checking the .sr and if I don't see any buds on, I just log off and play another game offline.  The LW MA is fun, but it is what it is and sometimes the sandbox just isn't enough.

[Squire]

No right or wrong, but if you want to fly historically, go into the SEA Arenas. FSOs, Snapshots, Scenarios are a lot of fun.

MA arenas are there as well.

Do what you like.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by toonces3

The potential for this does exist in AH2, but for a variety of reasons, it is not utilized in the AvA.  We have that discussion about once a week in the AvA forum and I'll leave it to them to figure out if something is broke or needs to be fixed.

One reason only.  Not many people like the historical set ups.  They are fun for a little bit but not for ever.  People say they want historical set ups but where are they?    AvA not exactly what they are looking for but closer to it than the MA right?  I've never seen the original poster there.

I would have left already, but I found a group of guys that make the game alot more enjoyable.  I am fortunate to have found a squad of fellas all with the more or less same attitude as me, and I really enjoy flying with them.  I even bought the book, "Kearby's Thunderbolts" to learn more about our squad's namesake.  Stoney's a veritable history lesson and I learn alot about the game and real history flying with him.

As long as you're having fun, I guess that's the point.  

And that is what it is all about.  Having fun

I'd say to people asking for historical set ups to be careful what they ask for.  For one thing we know the outcome of the battles and those fights were never fair.  Do you really want to log in, wait 30 mins in the tower, then take off under fueled to intercept some buffs only to find the escorts are higher and outnumber you 5 to 1?  Probably OK once in a while, but every day?

[VonKost]

I've been in the AvA arena the last two TOD's I got my B24 shot down in on the way to tokyo after 2 hours of flight time and raided a few Russian airbases with my Finnish 109 in the other arena. I was the only one there on the Finn map at the time.

I've been spending some time in the Mid War arena flying the P-47D-11. The 56th flew mostly razorbacks until the bubbletops started trickling in during may/june 1944.  Some old Warbirds friends play in the mid war and I hop on to fly with them sometimes. ~Avengers~

[toonces3]

I don't want historical as in 5 hour missions with 5 minutes of fun.

Want I want is a 'historical sandbox' which we have in AvA, and isn't broke, it just isn't utilized by the vast majority of players.

Why is that?  I have no true idea, and don't want to discuss it here (do we really need another thread discussing why nobody plays in the AvA?).  I'll leave it as:

Most folks would prefer the MA sandbox to the historical sandbox.

Everyday we log on to AH2 and vote as to how we want to see the game community develop based upon which arena we log into.  That is overwhelmingly LW MA.

The history is there, it's simply not preferred for any number of individual reasons.

I'd love to see, say EW, be better utilized as a testing ground for some of the ideas that show up on this board from time to time.

[MajIssue]

Originally posted by VonKost

So I challenge you all, where is the history?

Regards,
VonKost

Participate in Der Grosse Schlag on Saturday... You can either Bomb those NAZI BAST***S back to the stone age or protect the Fatherland from the Allies' vicious terror attacks. Both with a high degree of realism!:aok