Author Topic: Another question for the peanut gallery... (Read 1344 times)

humble · « **Reply #30 on:** October 19, 2007, 04:24:51 PM »

Slap I didnt view it as even a grey area. When he 1st called me a POS on 200 I gave him a yup and a smile sign. None of like to be caught "down and dirty" and venting is normal. From my perspective he was hunting the egress route from the furball and engaging a guy RTB (just speculation on my part here).

To me thats fair game either way. TeeAir "picked" my a-20 the previous hop and a zipcode in a zeke got me after I got the pony. It's simply the reality of a furball...

What suprised me was that he kept chirping 5 minutes later. If I pick a guys kill its a mistake 95% of the time (I'll pick some guys just because). I wont intervene in a 1 on 1 without asking and sometimes even if asked (again some guys dont deserve it). I'll complain when picked/ganged just like most (not all)....U vent your spleen and you move on.

dedalos · « **Reply #31 on:** October 19, 2007, 04:28:59 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Ahhh ... so the DA Furball area is going titsup with griefers like the last time that caused HT to turn killshooter back on ?

I am more worried about the him trying to fix it again

pluck · « **Reply #32 on:** October 19, 2007, 04:50:16 PM »

You know, I swear there are many more people in this game willing to type anything they can on 200. I really enjoy the idea of having a community channel, unfortunately we have to deal with the idiots to....and it seems like there are many many more now-a-days. About 3-4 weeks ago, last time I flew before today:), I had some idiot calling me a dweeb because "I HO'd" him. I shot him from dead six, and no one else came at him from the front. I think there are also some of the same complaints about "gameplay" from people who have no idea, but of course, why would that stop them. The only thing is, now there are many more of them to "listen" to.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #33 on:** October 19, 2007, 08:46:18 PM »

lol pluck, and everyone thought it would simmer down after school let back in.......

Xasthur · « **Reply #34 on:** October 19, 2007, 09:13:48 PM »

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Originally posted by captkaos
Yes, when in trouble everyone wants you to clear their six, or otherwise get them out of trouble. However, heaven forbid that you engage when the freindly has the upper hand.

Just ignore them, if people want a duel, they can go to a dueling arena.

With all that said, I always ask if help is wanted before engaging, if I get no answer I engage the enemy. Even when I do that, I still get complaintes for interfering. So you cannot win, no matter what you do.

Just have fun, remember it is a game, and that there are always people out there that live to be annoyed.

I do the same too... It may well be the MA but that doesn't mean you have to be a rude stunninghunk and come charging in on someone else's fun.

It gets frustrating when you're fighting a Spit 16 1 v 1, trading blows, fighting really hard, then you force your advantage and have the shot lined up....... just about to lay the gunsight over his wing.... and BOOM... some arsehat dives in from 5k above and behind you to shoot them down from right under your guns.

Yes, it's the MA but you're flying with people and it never hurts to have manners with people.

A lot of people would do well to remember this.

Widewing · « **Reply #35 on:** October 20, 2007, 12:29:55 AM »

There are some simple courtesies that players should extend to each other. Jumping in to steal a kill from a player who has worked hard to bleed down an enemy fighter is simply unkind. Moreover, it virtually guarantees that the offending player will get no assistance from that other pilot, should he need it. What goes around certainly comes around.

You can cover another player, standing by to assist if needed. That's how teammates should fly.

Tonight presented a perfect example. A buddy was up in a P-38J and was tangling with an F4U-4. I was about 3k distant in my P-38J. I watched the fight and saw that the F4U-4 pilot had hit one of my buddy's engines and was gaining angles. At that point, I intervened and clobbered the Corsair before he could finish off my friend. Remarkably, the Corsair driver was exceptionally gracious. MadBeaver....

Be liberal with a check 6. If you see trouble, speak up and keep other players informed of the enemy. Avoid stealing kills. Be a team player and you'll gain respect and friends. Just as importantly, these guys will return the favor when you need it. That old principle of sowing and reaping never fails.

My regards,

Widewing

WWM · « **Reply #36 on:** October 20, 2007, 04:17:32 PM »

Courteous players certainly make the game much funner. Being a new player I always evaluate posts such as this to "learn the game" and adapt my play to the "older vet standards" I guess you could say. So thanks for the post humble I like how you handled it personally.

I have made my mistakes, and will make more, of squeezing the trigger during the excitement when I shouldn't have or making a snide comment when I should have just chalked it up and got a new plane. All I can do is apologize.

I have found that; you are going to get HO'ed, you're going to get gang banged, you're going to get kills stolen, you're going to get vulched landing etc.... All one can hope for is to play a respectable game with your morals and values and if you get accused of something, rinse it out here with the vets and adapt if needed.

~~Humble~~

mtnman · « **Reply #37 on:** October 20, 2007, 09:26:11 PM »

Personally, I think what you did was fine Snaphook, and is one of the main reasons why the MA IS so much fun.

It's fun because it's so random. You never know if you're going to get away with fighting the one on one, or whether somebody else is going to join the fray. You never know if the next guy you run into is going to try for some "quality" manuevering, or is going to go straight for the HO. You never know if the next guy is going to be a seasoned vet or a newbie.

Imagine how boring this game would be if all of our fights started (and ended) co-alt, co-E, nose-nose guns cold, 1v1, same or similar planes, etc...

The element of surprise (confusion?) and the required level of SA is what makes the fights fun.

For that matter, outside of a scripted fight in the DA against known adversaries- is it even possible to have a truly "fair" one vs one? I doubt it, at least not on a regular basis. One opponent will always have some small (or medium, or large) advantage over the other, even if it's not apparant. A fight between opponents of unmatched skill is the norm, and is far from "fair". Would a 1v1 basketball game with Michael Jordan vs a high school basketball player be fair? Wouldn't it be more evenly matched if MJ played against at least 2 high school players (or 5)? Ever wonder why so few sports are televised as 1v1's? How boring would they be?? At least with a team you can balance skill levels a little better.

Look at it this way- you actually gave the pony pilot a golden opportunity! He could have prevailed, beaten you both, and gloated! Maybe even a PWN'ed message on 200! How can you PWN someone if you don't start from a disadvantage?

It's not your fault he failed, you gave him the opportunity... He should salute you for that!

MtnMan

Arlo · « **Reply #38 on:** October 20, 2007, 09:57:48 PM »

Guy had a bad day at work ... his wife was chewing his arse ... his kids were crawling around under the desk .... dog pooped on the floor during the engagement .... cat peed in his tennis shoes .... there was an earthquake .... a typhoon .....

mtnman · « **Reply #39 on:** October 21, 2007, 04:11:45 AM »

I would add that had the pony been disadvantaged, or had the fight appeared about equal, I would not join in. That would be legitimate cause to yell "ganger" in my eyes.

Imagine how embarassed Michael Jordan would be if he needed another player on his side to beat the high school kid. Downright shameful! Now, I would see no disgrace in the the high school kid asking for, or expecting, help from another player. That would still be "fair" in my eyes.

Two high ponies (or 3, or 4...) vs one low plane? Unfair.

One high pony vs 3 or 4 (or more) low planes? Fair. A situation with 2 or 3 high planes vs many lower planes is also "fair" in my eyes. The lower planes still have some definate options in this case.

With the pony at an advantage over the spit you mentioned, had he seen you as the larger threat, he would have been better off to switch his attention to you first. Maybe even dragging you away from the spit a bit if he needed to. For him not to, and to stay fixated on the spit was an error in my opinion.

MtnMan

lagger86 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 21, 2007, 04:45:47 AM »

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Originally posted by pluck
You know, I swear there are many more people in this game willing to type anything they can on 200. I really enjoy the idea of having a community channel, unfortunately we have to deal with the idiots to....and it seems like there are many many more now-a-days. About 3-4 weeks ago, last time I flew before today:), I had some idiot calling me a dweeb because "I HO'd" him. I shot him from dead six, and no one else came at him from the front. I think there are also some of the same complaints about "gameplay" from people who have no idea, but of course, why would that stop them. The only thing is, now there are many more of them to "listen" to.

that's why i turned 200 off, so I can fly as bad as I want and not have to hear about it. Country channel is another story though, I can only squelch these idiots, but usually to late to avoid their idiocracy(which is one funny effin film in it's own right).