General Climate Discussion

[Jackal1]

Yeah........a few hundred grants are in order to study this.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Yeah........a few hundred grants are in order to study this.

Screw that!

I'm going out and replacing ALL of my "green" light bulbs with 100 watt incandescent ones, and I'm leaving them on ALL of the time!  We gotta stop this coming ice age!  WARMING NOW!

[lazs2]

people are waking up to the scam... scientists are bucking the peer pressure and coming out with real science disproving at least... co2 causing warming...

more and more they are saying... "ITS THE SUN STUPID"

the bad part is that the "do something even if it is wrong" crowd always...  does something wrong and the rest of us have to clean up the mess they made of our lives.

I told you that winter would put a big chill on the whole thing.   I told you that temperatures have been flat or falling.   We are more likely headed for a very cold spell.

Instead of enjoying the bounty of this mild warm spell we had.. the hand wringers did their best to ruin it..  

Doesn't matter.. in a couple of decades we will forget and the same players will have some new doomsday scenario and the same suckers will worship at their altar.

Someone should do a study on what kind of people buy into doomsday scenarios.

lazs

[john9001]

now what do i do with all my carbon credits?

[Shuckins]

That report has been getting a lot of play in the media lately.

Essentially, according to one summary, the global drop in temperature during the last two years wiped out all the gains of the last century.  The growth in the size of the Antarctic ice pack has been reported numerous times in the past, and since it is the world's largest, that fact ought to raise some eyebrows.

As some scientists have maintained all along, the earth appears to be at a tipping point, and climate change could go either way.  

RPM, that change, as they have said, could come quickly, if the past is any indication, and within a few years.  So, it is possible that we could see it within our lifetime.

[CptTrips]

It's the Global Warming that causes the Global Cooling.

If you don't buy into that, it means you are obviously in the pocket of big oil.


Wab

[Shuckins]

Well, not to downplay the importance of man's impact on the climate,  I've felt that all the hoopla was premature.  There's still a lot we do not know about the multitude of factors that cause climate change.  Arguments to the effect that the debate is finished aside, there have always been reputable scientists who believed their colleagues who jumped on the global-warming bandwagon were about to drive it over a cliff.

Furthermore, I think it is ludicrous that these scientists have shown total disdain for the impact that the sun was having on the situation.  The arrogance of that stance is unseemly.  The possibility has always existed that they were wrong.  But, the press has been on their side from the beginning, and so voices to the contrary have been shouted down.

As I said previously, the tipping point could happen soon, and the change could go either way.

If it does, and if it tips toward global cooling, it would be much more of a disaster for mankind as a whole.  The only satisfaction I could draw from such an event would be to see it wipe the supercilious grin off of the algore's face.

[lazs2]

You guys are missing the point...  

At the current rate of global cooling... we will be 10 degrees cooler by 2050 and maybe 30 by 2100..  it is time to weep and knash teeth and make documentaries!!!

It is time to watch the sky for falling chunks.

Life will cease to exist as we know it.   we will have to give the oil companies huge amounts of cash to find new oil to burn and maybe save the planet.

I don't know about you but..  I don't like being cold.

somebody do something.. even if it is wrong!

make the government do something before we all become meatcycles.

lazs

[eagl]

Originally posted by rpm
Not much of an arguement. But we won't be around to find out who's wrong.

I'm not so sure about that.  There is a lot of evidence (flattened villages under glaciers, un-harvested crops, historical records on migratory movements, etc) that points to the fact that ice ages happen FAST.  None of this degree or so per year warming stuff, just one year winter starts in August and then it doesn't thaw the next year.

Like Pournelle noted recently, global warming can be uncomfortable and nasty for those who live on coastlines, but you can still grow crops when it's warmer and you actually get higher crop yields when it's warmer and when you have a bit more CO2 in the air.  When it gets colder, everyone moves towards the equator because nothing grows in frozen ground.

Give me global warming any day...  At least it's survivable.

[wrag]

Follow the links.................

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/03/01/god-to-gore/

Seems the Suns activities have already slowed and become less.....

it's cooling down now considerably.

Perhaps we need to put out more CO2?

[wrag]

OOPS I put this up in another thread but maybe I should have put it here?

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/03/01/god-to-gore/

[lazs2]

yep..  while I was outside enjoying a mild and long summer..  others were wringing their hands and shaking like scolded puppies over the "man made global warming"... afraid to leave their homes and enjoy..

Now it will be getting cold.  I will miss the mild summers and mild winters.   I don't like being cold but.. short of moving.. there isn't much we can do about it.

We are headed for global cooling and that is just the way it is.  

lazs

[WWhiskey]

cant wait till they get the new readings from mars!

[Angus]

So has Lazs's propoganda repetition "stupid" machine connvinced you that there is serious global cooling going on?
It's the SUN, Stupid, for the solar warming is at low.
Or did everyone forget that there are always spikes in the temp?
Do those only count on one side?
In the meanwhile the arctic areas are loosing Ice, raising SL a tad, and while those icecubes are melting the sea is still warming.
The forces at work there will dwarf the cooler pockets of climate (air) in some areas (while hotter than usual are forgotten).
Just read up on the newest data on the ocean temp around antarctica. Average warming in 1deg celcius. While not looking much, it's from 1 to 2. Get to 4 and you have a different situation. Moray could tell you why
Hehe, even my countrymen are complaining about a cold winter, and WTF happened to GW, while forgetting that most of the problem is extreme windforce all the time, as well as violent swings in temp, for it is a short way from rain to snow, and snow + wind is a bad mixture.
In the meantime, the ground beneath remains unfrozen, and even at the age of just above 40, I recall 50 cm of absolute Iceblock as a norm.....

[Jackal1]

See how they run.......................... ................